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Slurpeez, your idea of a freaky friday swap would be hilarious from a shipping perspective.
It would make “Hook” biologically Henry’s father now, and Neal wouldn’t be in a biologically related body. I don’t know, it’s just all kinds of wacky whacked weird, would force people who insist on a ship for shallow reasons to think and I love it for that.
I think most of us feel about the “bio dad” thing the way CSers (ok most of us) do about Colin’s looks–it is not the most important part of the ship but it is a part of the appeal all the same. If Hook were also shown as a guy eager for fatherhood, with an instant connection and affection for Henry, that would help CS out in my view, because to me it was not the blood bond but Neal’s attitude that sold him as Henry’s father. I also felt sympathy as Neal did not leave because he fell out of love, cruelty or was selfishly protecting himself–even if it looked that way for a long time to Emma as she did not know about the curse.
Hook may be written many ways with Henry when they meet. We all can make guesses from how he approached Bae but the situations were different. He was using him for self-preservation until Bae charmed him. It was not enough to know he was Milah’s son intellectually. He saw his own loss and loneliness in Bae, that was when he wanted to take him in, forget about trading him to Pan.
This is very parallel to Owen and Regina. At first she wanted to get rid of him and his father, but he charmed her when he showed her consideration. Hook too was completely genuine as was Regina–but it did not change their attitude in general to the rest of the world. Regina reacted horribly to Owen’s rejection even if she did not want to harm him (even years later she did not, until he tortured her). She did not feel guilt though or that she owed him much consideration or apologies for what she did to his father. Hard to tell with Hook and Neal but outwardly Hook says he was a “friend”. Neal’s father also directly harmed Hook unlike Kurt, so there are differences in the situation too. Ultimately though, while Regina and Greg ended with no love lost, it would see that Neal is not seeking revenge in the least for the things Hook has done.
So Neal is not Greg, anymore than Hook is exactly like Regina. There are some things in common but how meaningful the parallels are? That’s hard to say as these writers love to repeat certain themes and so there’s always comparisons we can draw, symbolic or moral in nature to the extremely superficial.
So on spoiler gate It should be good to gauge how the writers portray Henry with Hook. Will he be in cute polite kid mode as with Tamara? Or in angry sulky mood, as he was after the lie reveal? If SF is going to work, I feel the writers have to make it clear that Emma won’t bend to what Henry wants, just because he wants it. At the same time, she shouldn’t be written as choosing someone who doesn’t have concern and care for her son–please don’t Milah her! It would not be a good character development for her to say “I’m putting myself first and choosing this man, so sorry son, you have another mother and a father, and I’m done. I’ve suffered so much in my life, I deserve devastating, earth-shaking, pirate….happiness.” I’m paraphrasing some things I’ve seen around Tumblr there. Emma should be happy but her son’s happiness also is a factor. Yet children often don’t understand adult relationships. There was a bit on How I Met Your Mother on this, where immature, pernnenial childish man Barney wants his mother to break up his bio dad’s marriage to get his bio-parents back together. It’s that kind of thing I don’t want to see, where Henry forces Neal and Emma despite what would make Emma happy. If they’re going to do SF, it has to be clear in the storytelling that it is NEAL she wants, not just “Henry’s father”. Well…a body swap would definitely muddle all of it up and would be one way to top the messed up shock of Pan being Malcom!
I know they’d never do it, but I think Adam and Eddie probably are the way I am about all the fan stuff. Or would be if it were my show. They need to make money. They need to keep fans happy. Yet they wrote something and some people are pushing them so hard to turn it upside down and backwards. I don’t even know how half-joking people are when they say they don’t have sympathy for Mal but do for PP (because Robbie is so cute). Seriously?
I mean, I do not want my show written by these girls:
[adrotate group="5"]“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
CrownedWithLaurels wrote: I read someone’s tweet to Adam saying that VCF said Captain Swan has been “officially confirmed as endgame
Just checked. That is no where on VCF’s feed. And even if it were, how on earth would VCF know?
* Sigh* I seriously question some fans’ critical thinking capacity and ability to distinguish fact from fancy. Wouldn’t Adam Horowitz, the co-executive producer of the show, know better than a pap what has been officially confirmed and what hasn’t? One pap spins his interpretation of a hug and suddenly CS is *officially* endgame? I think people had better learn to distinguish opinion from fact and whether to trust a source as reliable or not. A person who makes a living promoting leaked photos is prone to create hype whereas Adam and Eddy alone know the truth about what constitutes endgame.
Slurpeez, your idea of a freaky friday swap would be hilarious from a shipping perspective.
Just to be clear, I made that suggestion somewhat in jest of the AU idea. I don’t really expect that to happen.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Wouldn’t Adam Horowitz, the co-executive producer of the show, know better than a pap what has been officially confirmed and what hasn’t?
Goodness why ever would think that? I mean it’s not like he wrote the show or anything.
One pap spins his interpretation of a hug and suddenly CS is *officially* endgame? I think people had better learn to distinguish opinion from fact and whether to trust a source as reliable or not.
They should teach it in schools!
(wait. they do? Interesting)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m about thisclose to quoting my previous comment about how much I dislike VCF but I’ll just leave this photo of my feelings here and let it do the talking for me:
I wish fans in general weren’t so stupid sometimes. You DO NOT trust a known trouble maker/paparazzi guy for that type of information. I swear I feel like I’m not even watching the same show as them when they make comments like you guys have posted here recently. I give Adam a lot of credit for even being on Twitter in the first place if some of the stuff he’s answered lately is only part of the crap. Yikes! 😮
This rant was brought to you by me who’s stuck at work and who came back from lunch early and had 2.5 seconds to write up something and find a fun picture. 😉
#MoreBOOMLessGloomHere
@tutusunshine he couldn't know that
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) November 19, 2013
@tutusunshine @AdamHorowitzLA please show me this quote. I have never used the words “end game” ever.
— Vancity Filming (@VancityFilming) November 19, 2013
@tutusunshine @AdamHorowitzLA This quote is false. I never said those words http://t.co/9NG4VXFdDw
— Vancity Filming (@VancityFilming) November 19, 2013
In others: the internet hoards strike again.
Let’s go back to happy things.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"For example this is a pretty thing
Hereos have to make sacrifices all the time. My family taught me that
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Perfect picture Heather. VCF is a guy, one guy, who runs his site. He’s said he does it because he’s a fan too, not just a businessman. That’s fine, but in my experience, and I’m generalizing heavily–but do dudes ship the same way women do? I mean, I’ve seen a ton of Bond and other films and let’s just say, there’s a term “Chick Flick” for a reason. I just don’t think VCF is all into the “emotional” connection between Emma and Killian and if he is on the CS side–it’s more a matter of self-projection fantasy like, seeing yourself as Bond or the Pirate getting the girl. More interesting than being Neal, the seemingly every-day guy who cannot catch a break.
Neal’s macho factor went up in NL, with him aiming cross bows, capturing squids, and rowing boats. Yet he didn’t “save the day” (because we still have our gender flip and our heroines will, namely Regina and Emma, but with help from everyone….it can’t just be “the guy” ). Plus he’s still not this childhood iconic character for the marketing people to slap on a poster. I’m still annoyed they never made him a poster this season after promising it was “in the works”. The “Believe” arc is seriously almost over and they obviously bothered to take him and Henry into the studio and photograph them for singles.
How hard is it to photoshop a few words? It’s not a question of cost then, but marketing strategy and I’m completely convinced it is because of the PCA nominations. They don’t want to play up anything about Neal and Emma, even if it is in the previously written and filmed storyline because the show runners want the attention they can get for the show. Whether that would make them change their plans next season and begin to start showing bad sides to Neal and even better sides to Hook, I don’t know. With a story they can always add something that makes us look at things in a new way, as they did with this Rumple’s papa story.
We KNOW they previously filmed a smaller scene of Papa Rumple running and getting caught or killed (I forget) for unpaid gambling debts, but this elaborate thing of Papa turning into Pan? Did they really have that in mind from the start? I mean of the show, definitely in mind once they had NL rights I should think. They leave room to “embroider” stories and they do go backwards to look carefully to plan the mannerisms and acting directions, so things fit in as if planned all along even if they were not. Just look at how awesome some of our not-so-crack theories could be? It would fit perfectly yet it often ends up not being at all what the writers were planning. We’re not even professionals at it as the are with the intent to sit down and arc out a season!
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
*unlurks*
You will never convince me that Neal’s “Believe in Second Chances” poster wasn’t a real one. I don’t care who says it or what they do with it…that poster was never claimed to be created by anyone in the fandom and at one point, Adam did confirm it was real (which has always stuck with me). I think ABC chickened out on using it because they want their Hook angle and showing anything like that for Neal would disrupt their current marketing strategy. I really wish they would get their nose out of OUAT and let Adam & Eddie tell their stories without the marketing push for something they may or may not have planned this season.
Edit: And just from my experiences with online fandoms over the last ten or so years (OMG, has it been that long?!?
), I don’t know of many guys at ALL who are part of any shipping fandoms so if VCF is a CS shipper, he’s one of few guys that I’ve encountered who even give a crap about that sort of thing. Honestly, I don’t even know of many guys who actually watch OUAT right now…much less any guys who ship anyone on it, LOL 
*goes back into lurking….and working eventually* 😉
#MoreBOOMLessGloomDouble post…ignore this one!! I wish I could find something pretty right now, LOL 😆
Found a pretty…an old one but a good one! 😉
#MoreBOOMLessGloomLoved this
This just came to me (Beware…there be triangles ahead…):
David was dying of dreamshade and, as we now know, his “cure” has two parts: 1) drink the water from the island to be cured on the island, and 2) drink an elixir of Rump’s making to stay cured once back in Storybrook/Enchanted Forest/Wherever The Heck They Go Next…
Well…
Part 1 is kind of an immediate need. Charming would have died if he didn’t get the water right then. If he doesn’t drink the water right then, it doesn’t matter what his long term need is, because he is dead. He doesn’t need an elixir right now, regardless of what he needs in the future. Right now, he needs water.
Part 2 is a long term need. Sure, they can bring water with them but, as Hook (I believe) said, what happens when it runs out? Sure, the water may last a long long while, and they may have many great great times while the water lasts, but it will run out… Enter the elixir. The elixir is the long term solution for David’s cure, his cure “endgame” if you will…
Hook is the means of David getting the water.
Neal is the means of David getting the elixir (without being exorbitantly charged and in debt for his second-born child or whatever).
The post is essentally arguing that: if we were use symbology… *ahem* something that happens on this show *ahem*
David’s Poison = Emma’s endgame ship
Hook’s cure = temporary and immediate. Enough to last to #SaveHenry
Neal’s Cure/Solution = the forever fixer, guaranteed to keep “David” safe and alive forever
No idea if it carries any weight but I found it interesting and least better than groaning over internet hoards and their rumor mills
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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