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@mattyandjenna @Lily65675 has she taken him back? All you saw is one moment where he was dying… and she was emotional. more story to tell
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) September 2, 2013
Shipmates, could you calm me down because tweets like this make me think that E and A have changed their story due to the popularity of Captain Hook and CS.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Well Adam does tend to respond on occasion to your tweets, maybe you can ask if that’s him saying SF has no chance. I think he’ll say “I didn’t say that.”
I saw that tweet and I had to take a deep breath. First, I get annoyed at the collapsing of a complex situation to “he hurt her”. Then I hate the “as a woman” she should know better than to take him back.” Does that mean it is ok for Charming as a man to take back Snow who broke his heart and forgot him? Really, most people were ok with it because gender aside, Snowing both LOVED each other still, and realized that Snow had hurt him only because she was forced into it, and then couldn’t handle the pain so she took a potion to deal with it. Snow had magic, Neal didn’t. 11 years later after waiting for Emma he met a conniving woman who preyed on all his insecurities and fears and he thought he should do the equivalent of a magic potion and try to move on with another.
It’s not easy to forgive, but it shouldn’t be impossible either. Not if they have true love for each other that survives trials like that. But instead of trying to explain it, Adam’s answer is almost too much the other way.
Maybe they have changed their minds due to the constant pressure, but I feel like a woman or man is not made stronger by lacking compassion and love. Love is strength, and Emma is strong. IF she forgives Neal, he will have earned that forgiveness by his actions within the story, and they don’t want to spoil what those things are.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I am unbelievably sick of the hate as well. Not just shipping hate, but all hate. Hate for characters, hate for S2, hate for A and E, ect.
I’m going to be so happy when this triangle is over. I hate love triangles but I know they *have* to do it.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"They don’t HAVE to do it, and some of the hate is not based around the triangle at all.
I do think the writers could have done a much better job of telling Neal’s story, because there are so many pieces that I think were crucial to his perspective that I only got because of interviews or tweets. A lot of fans don’t see that stuff or even watch the “catch-up” specials. And I think it is fair to say “Show me, don’t tell me.”
So I sent Adam a tweet which he’ll ignore because I’ve never had a response yet, about that. Whoever they want to put Emma with, fine, tell your story, but there’s so much of the story they thought they were telling with Neal that some fans missed by a mile. Stuff I know they meant to tell because they said it in interviews straight out, or in tweets.
Adam is pretty sensitive it seems to accusations about his open mindness and misogyny, and the last thing I want him to think is they have to drop the Neal storyline because the public would never accept Emma going back to him. In fact, I think it’s horrible that people think its ok if Snow treats Charming like dirt but not if the other way around. People should be good to each other and the gender ought to have nothing to do with it. Maybe I will tweet that later.
He might respond to that.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Hate the hate.
Whenever I read a book and it has a love triangle in it I usually put it down. I’ve never been a fan of it. If you can’t make up your mind between two people, then neither of them are the right ones, imo.
How tempting is it to send a tweet to that person to tell her not to speak on behalf of all women!
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
While I rather doubt this, part of me wonders if ABC isn’t whispering in A and E’s ears going “you have to do THIS because of how profitable it is…”
One of my biggest peeves is when people try to make the other one look like a martyr.
“Hook belongs with Emma because Neal did X Y Z”
“Neal belongs with Emma because Hook did A B C”Emma is a fully grown woman capable of making her own choices based on her heart. Neal was not abusive, he was a drunk or a bad guy. He made an impossible choice for the betterment of thousands and, yes, to EMMA herself. Is there a lot of forgive? Of course! But in what relationship isn’t there a lot to forgive? Rumple threw Belle out of his castle! Snow took a potion and forgot Charming! David Nolan thought Mary Margaret killed Katheryn! MM slept with Whale! Relationships are not easy. “If true love were easy, everyone would have it.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"my mind just keeps going back to everything they said at all the panels this summer.
It is a little strange Adam said that considering they have said “i think she meant it” “they’ve loved each other all along”, etc.I tweeted earlier this week that I was afraid Adam and Eddy would change their story due to the harassment. Someone else retweeted it and tagged him in it. He replied:
@ASweetTweetRose @LaurelCrowned_8 we tell the story we want! Don't worry!
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) August 31, 2013
Just because people are the loudest, doesn’t make them the majority. This is what I have kept telling myself:
Over 11 million people watch Once Upon a Time. (Right? #s from last season?)
a few of the SAME people stating their opinion over and over and over on twitter is just a super small fraction of that number. What, 10 people harassing him over and over again? I know that Adam and Eddy see the big picture. They have to. They’ve been doing this long before people had the gall to harass them on twitter (and as Adam confessed tonight, THREATEN his family). They did this before they got harassed. Before the internet made everyone crazy and self-important.
I have to have faith they can keep their head up and tell their story.
*sigh*Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
I think the fandom is evenly split honestly between SF and CS.
The fact that they threaten his family and send hate to his brother after the interview for MTV at CC and then talk about his daughters..it’s all too much.
I’m glad they tell the story they want to tell but it still worries me that they’re going to change their minds based on little marketing birds whispering at them.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In fact, I think it’s horrible that people think its ok if Snow treats Charming like dirt but not if the other way around. People should be good to each other and the gender ought to have nothing to do with it.
THIS. !! That’s a great way to put it.
Part of the reason I love Once. So many shows these days portray men as doofs and stupid and women can treat them however and its justified.. How is that not just as wrong? I really don’t get the complaining, because women are portrayed as strong, whether single, married, or mothers, and men have more to offer than breadwinning and being objectifying or aloof! Such a good balance compared to other shows.Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
I’m glad they tell the story they want to tell but it still worries me that they’re going to change their minds based on little marketing birds whispering at them.
I fear this, too. We’ve already heard of the feelings that the network execs have about Hook. I wouldn’t be shocked if they told A&E that they should pursue that angle because of ratings and advertising dollars. Any tv writer will tell you of the numerous notes they receive constantly from the Network executives. I can see it being an issue with this, too.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
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