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I think some answers are going to be getting clearer very soon though, based on those spoilers.
If they’re really going to address the situation with Neal leaving and Emma ending up in jail, and not rewrite it, then that’s good. If they rewrite so it was “Neal sent her to jail” or “He could have stayed but was a coward and afraid for himself”–which previously they said on twitter was not the case….well, then its going to tell me they’ve flipped completely for CS. That’s a huge sort of retcon, and it wouldn’t be the first one of the show.
The scenes of Regina with baby Henry seem like they’re going to forget originally there was supposed to be a hole in her heart from the curse and that she didn’t have real maternal warmth, so much as pride and control over someone, the way Cora was with her. I don’t know, but I guess I’m going to feel nervous about how they tackle things in this new “villain as heroes” era.
I have some hope that they started off this season with Neal using magic, and saying he loves Emma, doesn’t own her, then telling her she doesn’t have to apologize ever. Then they had him say he’ll fight for her. It felt like they were tackling all the troll-standard claims of why SF would be bad and for each one sort of saying, nope.
Yet this is a BIG one, the heart of a lot of the controversy, right next to his relationship with Tamara. Did he use Emma for selfish reasons? It’s always been a matter of interpretation, and heated debate. So if they really go back and revisit, they could swing it whatever suits their current needs in the story. Everything that happened this season was written months ago, so as fan feedback came in, perhaps they made adjustments, because they did heavily float CS this season.
I’ve always based my assumptions of SF working on the notion that Neal didn’t ever do anything cowardly to hurt Emma on purpose. He left for what I thought was good reason. He did it in a way that maybe had flaws but we could understand perhaps was required by the urgency and complicated nature of a magical curse that needed to be broken. I trusted that Neal trusted August and that it was not obvious to him he shouldn’t believe him. So I don’t know. The jail storyline could come up in different ways. It could just be dialog between Neal and Emma. I’d rather we have flashbacks though because I want to see that Neal didn’t call the cops, perhaps even that he didn’t know about the jail. I suppose whatever he did, well, its still all over with now but it does speak to his character back then.
If Pinocchio does die because all the magic is ripped out of SB, that might be one way to have a new curse. His “death” might prompt discussion of how Neal knew him and all that. The other thing is, they actually do the thing a lot of fans want, and bring back August. If Malcom comes back from Pan, maybe there’s a ripple effect and we get back August so that was why the hat was floating in a spoiler picture. If they’re listening to fans, then bringing back August was a big one. If so, August might back up Neal’s story and confess he called the cops or something. The last way I think is just pure flashbacks with the NY jail story we think they might do. As we see Neal in present being incarcerated for a crime he didn’t quite commit it would make perfect sense to pair that with who set Emma up for jail–perhaps the same people who helped set her on the path to being a bailbondswoman too! .
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KFChimera wrote: If they’re really going to address the situation with Neal leaving and Emma ending up in jail, and not rewrite it, then that’s good. If they rewrite so it was “Neal sent her to jail” or “He could have stayed but was a coward and afraid for himself”–which previously they said on twitter was not the case….well, then its going to tell me they’ve flipped completely for CS. That’s a huge sort of retcon, and it wouldn’t be the first one of the show.
If this happens then yes, it would mean that they have made a huge retcon for certain fanbases. They keep saying, “we’re telling the story we want to tell.” and to go back on tweets or things they’ve said in the past and rewrite their story…I would be more disappointed in them not sticking to their guns than what was happening on screen.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Well it is always the story they want to tell at the time they do their story camps each season, not the story they originally wanted to tell in their heads when they first started. I bet some of their idealism has fallen away, especially with WL’s demise when they had more hopes for that to do well. So I don’t think they’re going to be sticklers for a vision, especially one that was probably only hastily sketched out due to not knowing rights issues, and how long things would go.
If SF is not their choice, whether now or from start of S2, then at the least I want the writing of it to play out with what they hinted in the show, and confirmed as their interpretation out of the show.
They don’t have to make Neal a bad guy in order to make Hook the man Emma loves, for love is just something that doesn’t always have to be logical or about who is the “better” person, but about the person that fits you. Rumbelle is the poster child of that, right? Belle could walk into town and meet just about any one who’d be less morally tortured than Rumple, but he’s the man she loves all the same.
Especially if they’re going into “Dark Emma” territory, then it could be that is something that creates a divide between Neal and Emma but a bridge between Hook and Emma as he might not feel as wary of it. If Emma herself changes from who I thought she was in S1/S2, then maybe Hook would fit with her better. In stories, anything can shift.
Bottom line, I don’t want Neal’s character trashed so a ship can be pushed, because that’s not good writing. Having Neal pull a Katherine or something, well I’d be sad for SF but I wouldn’t be mad about the writing of it. So when it comes to the bit about Neal’s past behavior though, well I will feel lied to if suddenly we go from :
@tutusunshine @KDW3000 @fictorium Neal never sent her to jail. Not what happened. And MRJ understands his character better than anyone.
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) May 3, 2013
to he did it for kicks, so they can make Hook look like a better guy.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Well it is always the story they want to tell at the time they do their story camps each season, not the story they originally wanted to tell in their heads when they first started. I bet some of their idealism has fallen away, especially with WL’s demise when they had more hopes for that to do well. So I don’t think they’re going to be sticklers for a vision, especially one that was probably only hastily sketched out due to not knowing rights issues, and how long things would go
Well I agree but I do think there are certain things that stuck. For example, they thought about changing their story so that Neal wasn’t Baelfire because most of the fan base had caught on to that, but they decided to stick with it because it was the story they had from the start (ie: A and E told JMo and Bobby about Baelfire shortly after the pilot)
So if they were to go back and say, “yes Neal sent her to jail because he didn’t love her or he was a coward” then that’s an obvious retraction of previous statements
They don’t have to make Neal a bad guy in order to make Hook the man Emma loves, for love is just something that doesn’t always have to be logical or about who is the “better” person, but about the person that fits you. Rumbelle is the poster child of that, right? Belle could walk into town and meet just about any one who’d be less morally tortured than Rumple, but he’s the man she loves all the same.
They don’t have to make Neal a bad guy in order to make Hook the man Emma loves, for love is just something that doesn’t always have to be logical or about who is the “better” person, but about the person that fits you. Rumbelle is the poster child of that, right? Belle could walk into town and meet just about any one who’d be less morally tortured than Rumple, but he’s the man she loves all the same.
I agree; if Hook is the end love for Emma then OK tell me that story and really sell it to me. But don’t do it by trashing Neal and suddenly going back on what you’ve previously stated while at the same time making the other guy look like a White Knight. It would scream fanservice to me
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Why so glum, chums? I really think that Adam and Eddy aren’t going to mar Neal’s character. If anything, I’m thinking they’re going to continue to show Neal in positive light. Also, these ought to put the wind back in your sails a bit!
@Binali912 maybe! #nospoilers
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) November 22, 2013
@HaleyJean45 hope!
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) November 22, 2013
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I just welled up reading those tweets hahaha *sad*. I’m so excited/nervous that we are getting some confirmation that we are going to see some Neal backstory soon. I’ve always believed the issue of Neal sending Emma to jail and what went down with August to not be a black and white issue. It will actually kill me inside if Neal’s character is trashed for the purpose of a cs relationship. :'( That cannot happen!!
All this talk about Nealfire getting thrown under the bus for CS, makes me a little nervous but I found this old ET interview with Adam and Eddy from season 2. The way they describe Nealfire’s character is that of a hero, so I refuse to believe they would retract their writing of his character and live on without Emma and I really hope that they do not make Neal the bad guy in favor of CS. That would just make them hypocritical of their OWN statements of Nealfire. From the horse’s mouth they said that Nealfire’s actions towards Emma was self-sacrifice. “TRUE LOVE = SACRIFICE” ~ David
Hopefully in the next couple of episodes they will address some issues with Emma and Neal even though I know they won’t get them back together right away, at least it will help Emma think things through. Maybe go for Hook a bit (though I cringe at the thought) and realize in the end Neal is her one true love.
This video makes me feel all warm and squishy inside the way A&E talk about Nealfire
All this talk about Nealfire getting thrown under the bus for CS, makes me a little nervous
I think the nerves we are feeling has a lot to do with how Hook is being presented this season, like this radical departure from what he was supposed to be: a villain. And with all his crimes being swept under the rug episode after episode and still managing to get a kiss and have “heart to hearts” with Emma….well it makes me nervous, except when I break down his actions and it becomes clear that Hook isn’t exactly on the level.
The way they describe Nealfire’s character is that of a hero, so I refuse to believe they would retract their writing of his character and live on without Emma and I really hope that they do not make Neal the bad guy in favor of CS. That would just make them hypocritical of their OWN statements of Nealfire. From the horse’s mouth they said that Nealfire’s actions towards Emma was self-sacrifice. “TRUE LOVE = SACRIFICE” ~ David
Yes!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If they’re really going to address the situation with Neal leaving and Emma ending up in jail, and not rewrite it, then that’s good. If they rewrite so it was “Neal sent her to jail” or “He could have stayed but was a coward and afraid for himself”–which previously they said on twitter was not the case….well, then its going to tell me they’ve flipped completely for CS. That’s a huge sort of retcon, and it wouldn’t be the first one of the show.
I really am failing to see where all of this fear for Neal as a character is coming from. Maybe the popularity of CS on social media gets some people down, I understand, but it’s not as if Adam and Eddy are suddenly going to completely tarnish Neal’s moral fibers just to elevate CS. As you say, that would be horrible writing and untrue to he spirit of Neal. Just because he hasn’t been spotted filming outdoors for a week doesn’t mean he’s going to be denigrated. I really don’t even think that CS are even a legit couple by 3×12. We know there is a new curse arriving in SB, whose effects we still don’t know. For all we know, Emma is cursed to have bad taste in plaid pants and pirates. She might not be in her right mind. Also, we know that Emma, Hook and Henry have been spotted in NYC at a police department. What draw do those characters have to NYC? I think they’re on a mission involving Neal.
The scenes of Regina with baby Henry seem like they’re going to forget originally there was supposed to be a hole in her heart from the curse and that she didn’t have real maternal warmth, so much as pride and control over someone, the way Cora was with her. I don’t know, but I guess I’m going to feel nervous about how they tackle things in this new “villain as heroes” era.
We haven’t even seen 3×9 yet, so it’s hard to say with any degree of certainty at this stage how Regina is going to handle being a first-time mother. Maybe Regina realizes that motherhood isn’t all she thought it would be since she looks pretty flustered in those promo pics. We might get some cute moments of Regina trying to figure out how to diaper a baby boy or trying to sooth his cries. Regina has always cared for Henry, changed every diaper and soothed every fever. Her ability to care for her son materially has never been called into question, but I don’t think Regina will be sugar-coated as “Mother of the Year” in 3×9. If anything, I think this upcoming episode might underscore how Regina wanted to fill the hole in her heart by adoption but discovers that despite her best intent, not even having a baby is enough to fill the void in her life.
I have some hope that they started off this season with Neal using magic, and saying he loves Emma, doesn’t own her, then telling her she doesn’t have to apologize ever. Then they had him say he’ll fight for her. It felt like they were tackling all the troll-standard claims of why SF would be bad and for each one sort of saying, nope.
That is exactly why I don’t see the writers doing an about face on Neal’s character. He’s been showing a lot of upward momentum in S3, so unless he gets cursed with a false identity as Belle did in “Lacey” I don’t see Neal suddenly becoming a piggish brute of a man. Even if Neal were to be cursed with a fake identity, it wouldn’t really be Neal; it’d just be MRJ playing another person other than Neal so any bad traits couldn’t really be pinned on Neal as a character.
Yet this is a BIG one, the heart of a lot of the controversy, right next to his relationship with Tamara. Did he use Emma for selfish reasons? It’s always been a matter of interpretation, and heated debate. So if they really go back and revisit, they could swing it whatever suits their current needs in the story. Everything that happened this season was written months ago, so as fan feedback came in, perhaps they made adjustments, because they did heavily float CS this season.
Again, I’m not sure why you’re fearing the worst here, given everything positive that we’ve heard from Adam via Twitter. Just because some CS fans are loud and obnoxious? If anything, I’m thinking Adam and Eddy are going to show that Neal did NOT leave Emma for completely selfish reasons, but rather, for selfless ones. I think they might revisit the night that Emma went to jail to show that August was the one who called the cops and perhaps to show that bad things really might have befallen Emma had Neal NOT left her.
If this happens then yes, it would mean that they have made a huge retcon for certain fanbases. They keep saying, “we’re telling the story we want to tell.” and to go back on tweets or things they’ve said in the past and rewrite their story…I would be more disappointed in them not sticking to their guns than what was happening on screen.
While this would be a sad development indeed, I hope you all aren’t giving up hope just when Adam was telling us SF fans to keep hope alive. I highly doubt that Neal is about to be rewritten in an unfavorable light just to placate some whiny fans. That would go against the ethos of the show which so far has been showing a theme of second chances and redemption, so to permanently mar a hero would be an absolute anathema to me and is not what they’re doing to Neal.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
While this would be a sad development indeed, I hope you all aren’t giving up hope just when Adam was telling us SF fans to keep hope alive.
No white flag, I promise.
But to be fair…Adam tells EVERY ship to have hope. HookedQueen, WoodenSwan. All of them have gotten the “hope!” tweet.
Like I said, it’s the sweeping of Hook’s crimes, that only happened a week ago, under the rug while reinforcing Neal’s selfless actions (but the negativity of them) over and over. Emma’s thinking that Neal didn’t love her all those years, Emma wishing he were dead so that she wouldn’t have to face her feelings. Emma has yet to address the : Hook leaving her in jail, Hook torturing Archie, Hook shooting Belle, Hook working with the people who kidnapped her son, and Hook leaving them all to die. And I’m starting to wonder if the show will EVER address them because they are on this whole “Hook the hero” thing.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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