- This topic has 25,813 replies, 124 voices, and was last updated 7 years, 4 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
So I feel better. Someone sent Adam a pic of the hug and this is what he said
@raye_minamino that is REALLY not what you think
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) November 23, 2013
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"We really can’t judge that CS hug pic too accurately. Hook’s totally having a “just let me bury my face in your hair” moment, but we can’t see Emma’s face at all. Her posture kinda sorta maybe looks slightly awkward, like, “OK…so…we’re hugging now?” But it’s just one random still pic, and they often look more awkward than what’s actually happening, so it could be anything.
When I saw Neal tell Rumple that there would be no deal or price for saving David, I thought it was both a statement of what Neal expects of Rumple and also a means of calling out Hook. While he may not know the specifics, I think Neal has a very good idea of how the Hook/Emma kiss happened. I thought that Neal was challenging Hook’s honor in a way that Hook really couldn’t argue.
It was also an opportunity for Hook to see his actions through some else’s eyes. Hook may truly believe that he is behaving with honor and not realize that others don’t see him that way. This could assist in growing his character.
I really liked Neal, the least magical person, had to row the boat and did it without complaint.
Back to 3.07, I’m not sure that Hook believed Emma’s secret was the Kiss. If he did believe that, what did he consider the basis for Neal hugging Emma? I wonder if Hook didn’t like not knowing and used his talk with Neal to drop his bombshell (in the hopes of destabilizing anything with Neal and Emma) while trying to suss out the actual secret. It didn’t work. Neal treated Emma exactly the same before and after the kiss reveal, but Neal was much different with Hook. And there is still a secret, an emotional intimacy, between Neal and Emma that Hook is not a part of. Emma isn’t going out of her way to make Hook feel like he is a part of her emotional life.
On the spoiler pictures, I’m still not convinced that the Hook/Emma scenes mean anything romantic. I’m capable of relentless optimism, but I’m also an analyst (says so on my business card) and the events happening on the show have not yet created a strong enough foundation to make a Hook/Emma romance plausible to me this soon. If there is show based evidence that Emma truly wants to pursue a relationship with Hook, I’m just not seeing it.
Belief in SwanFire
Phee wrote: We really can’t judge that CS hug pic too accurately. Hook’s totally having a “just let me bury my face in your hair” moment, but we can’t see Emma’s face at all. Her posture kinda sorta maybe looks slightly awkward, like, “OK…so…we’re hugging now?” But it’s just one random still pic, and they often look more awkward than what’s actually happening, so it could be anything.
Excellent point. So far, still seems pretty onesided to me.
I think Neal has a very good idea of how the Hook/Emma kiss happened. I thought that Neal was challenging Hook’s honor in a way that Hook really couldn’t argue.
That’s interesting. And he missed Emma’s face of disbelief as she looked askance at Hook when she realized that Neal had done the right thing and not made any demands
Molly wrote: On the spoiler pictures, I’m still not convinced that the Hook/Emma scenes mean anything romantic. I’m capable of relentless optimism, but I’m also an analyst (says so on my business card) and the events happening on the show have not yet created a strong enough foundation to make a Hook/Emma romance plausible to me this soon. If there is show based evidence that Emma truly wants to pursue a relationship with Hook, I’m just not seeing it.
Agreed.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m less concerned about the CS hug than I am about the fact that Emma’s now dressed like she should be walking the streets of NYC looking for a good time. What’s up with those crazy shoes and the prostitute look???! I am SO confused about this entire episode although I’m hoping the final three episodes before the hiatus clear up a few things for us. From a few comments in that other thread, I’m started to get worried that they’ve actually split up both Rumbelle and SwanFire for this second half of the season which would be completely and totally ridiculous.
This hiatus is going to drive us all more bonkers than I originally thought, LOL 😆
#MoreBOOMLessGloomIt was also an opportunity for Hook to see his actions through some else’s eyes. Hook may truly believe that he is behaving with honor and not realize that others don’t see him that way. This could assist in growing his character.
I don’t know that Neal had any idea of the context of the kiss, or was thinking about showing up Hook.
Neal did it in the same manner he challenged Rumple about Whale. There is a right thing to do and he wants to make sure his father does it, if his father wants him to believe he has really changed.
It was important to establish Neal’s issues with Rumple were not just about being abandoned but also the horror of seeing good people hurt for minor offenses/threat, and leading into can he trust him not to kill hos own grandson. Irony then that great-grandad actually goes through with it.
I do think though you bring up a great point, that Hook might learn but the camera did not really frame his reaction to suggest such a thought registered. They seem to love to cutaway to Hook easily so that he was on the edge of the frame was interesting. The camera caught Emma looking at Hook then back at Neal, but Hook sort of is just staring at Neal. He does not notice Emma’s reaction so much.
I’m not sure that Hook believed Emma’s secret was the Kiss. If he did believe that, what did he consider the basis for Neal hugging Emma?
Excellent point! I think you are right he was trying to figure out what Emma said. He knows it was something about the way she feels that she cannot change, so perhaps Hook hoped the secret was about him, but he did not know for sure. I doubt he thought it was nothing to do with him because I see him as you said as wanting to be honorable but not really knowing how to be as he has grown so used to shifting convenient interpretations of his code of honor.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
So I feel better. Someone sent Adam a pic of the hug and this is what he said
I’m continuing to put my trust in Adam and Eddy’s vision for the story they want to tell, and I believe Adam when he says that pic is so not what people think (i.e. not what CS fans wish it were). Maybe I’m just an eternal optimist, like Neal is (that’s probably why I love him so much!), but I really am not worried. A hug is a hug is a hug. To me it looks like Hook is comforting Emma like she’s just received some hard news. Also, the the much-hyped up kiss turned out to be a forehead kiss with a man other than Hook, I breathed a huge sigh of relief. It’s funny, but I’d actually prefer to see Emma date another man besides Hook, even if that man weren’t Neal. I still think the mystery man (played by Christopher Gorham) is probably not a romance though and is a familial relation to Emma (e.g. her foster brother). The kiss on the forehead was very similar to the kiss Charming gave Emma in 3×8.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Whoa, happy 200th page of the thread guys!!! I think we may have set a land speed record for thread length speed here…it only took us about 6.5 months to hit 200! WOO HOO! 😀 *Nealfire hugs for everyone* 😀
BTW-I have officially joined Tumblr now (heaven help me, LOL) and I could use some other people to follow. I’m open to any suggestions relating to OUAT! 😀 (I’m now following you Jo!) My username over there is HeatherC1212 in case you want to follow me. I can’t promise I’ll be all that interesting but I’ll do my best! 😉
#MoreBOOMLessGloomWhen I saw Neal tell Rumple that there would be no deal or price for saving David, I thought it was both a statement of what Neal expects of Rumple and also a means of calling out Hook. While he may not know the specifics, I think Neal has a very good idea of how the Hook/Emma kiss happened. I thought that Neal was challenging Hook’s honor in a way that Hook really couldn’t argue.
I hadn’t really thought about that, but you might have a point. Neal has experience dealing with Hook on an emotional level. For however long he was on the JR, he considered Hook an honest friend, until the found the pic of Milah and figured out that Hook had been using him. So judging by his own experience, he probably figures it’s safe to assume that his bonding with Emma has an ulterior motive, just like it did back in the day with himself.
It was also an opportunity for Hook to see his actions through some else’s eyes. Hook may truly believe that he is behaving with honor and not realize that others don’t see him that way. This could assist in growing his character.
Here’s hoping, because character growth from Hook is something I really wanna see, just for the sake of me appreciating him in his own right, not even really in relation to the triangle.
I do think though you bring up a great point, that Hook might learn but the camera did not really frame his reaction to suggest such a thought registered. They seem to love to cutaway to Hook easily so that he was on the edge of the frame was interesting. The camera caught Emma looking at Hook then back at Neal, but Hook sort of is just staring at Neal. He does not notice Emma’s reaction so much.
I think Hook’s expression changes mid-scene, though it’s hard to read after it changes. It starts out sorta, “WOOT, Crocodile’s about to get TOLD,” and then he looks over at Emma just in time to catch the very end of her look at him, and then he goes back to looking at Neal with the hard to read expression, though he doesn’t seem to be enjoying the scene quite as much as he was a couple of seconds earlier. Speaking of how they framed the shot, I actually think it’s interesting that Hook and Emma are on either side of Neal. They didn’t focus on either of their reactions, but the reactions were still there in the background.
Whoa, happy 200th page of the thread guys!!!
*sets off confetti cannon* (FYI, the confetti is shaped like yellow Bugs.) 😀
The topic ‘Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire’ is closed to new replies.