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Watcher I could believe that if they don’t have snowing enact the curse and yet still be able to live together in their happy ever after. Neal is dead and it has nothing to do with paying prices or poor decisions. We all know why he is dead, they all know why he is dead. Why pretend it was storytelling purposes when clearly it wasn’t. The show proves that with each episode. Happy Sunday beloveds.
THAT. We all know WHY he is dead. Trying to come up with some sort of canonical in show reason is just a waste of time.
LOOK at this pretty, my heart skipped a beat.
That is my darling Nealfire the Phoenix. Look at that swag. 
Look at this face. http://i-sudoku.tumblr.com/post/113065743663/theyellowbug-o-u-a-t-m-e-m-e-5-8-outfitsI know i said this last night, but it’s almost been a year
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Bae is back, but as a young boy, similar to August being de-aged into Pinocchio.
I actually wouldn’t mind this scenario so much as it would still allow room for the Rumple and Henry aspects of Baelfire’s story to be explored. I honestly don’t know why the writers didn’t go this route in the first place. Having to de-age Nealfire to save his life would still give the tragedy of losing Neal but would throw up a whole lot of other story potential: How would Henry deal with having a father only slightly older than himself who doesn’t remember he has a son? How would Rumple react to having a son who is still angry at him for letting him go? How would Baelfire react to finding out he’s done all these things and loved all these people but can’t remember any of it? How would Emma react to the man she loved no longer existing but still being alive? etc.
I have no clue what Hook’s role in the show as it currently stands is supposed to be other than “bad boy love interest” for Emma, even then the “bad boy” part is debateable as the writers are trying to force him into hero territory. Hook needs Baelfire to be relevant to the show since the whole rivalry with Rumple is irrelevant since Hook has “moved on” from Milah. Hook is just there now for the sake of being there, he could be taken out and replaced with any other guy to serve as Emma’s love interest and you would still have exactly the same story. Neverland should have been Hook’s time to shine in his own right, and the writers wasted that opportunity with the CSF triangle which didn’t actually go anywhere and was resolved by killing off the hypotenuse.
I think CS could possibly be heading for a fall. They’re not the writers’ favourite couple anymore since OQ came on the scene with the writers trying to ram OQ down the audience’s throats. CS have had it too easy for too long so some angst is heading their way.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI honestly don’t know why the writers didn’t go this route in the first place.
Honestly, this question isn’t hard to answer. It’s quite simple. The writers don’t want their audience to remember Neal. They are working, quite hard, since 315 to get everyone to actively forget him. Having teenage Balefire run around with Rumple and Henry does not work in that favor. Also, the writers are clearly bored by Trying To Be Good! Rumple, something that is fueled by Bae, so in order to write Evil! (read: interesting for A and E) Rumple, they had to remove him totally from the picture.
I think CS could possibly be heading for a fall. They’re not the writers’ favourite couple anymore since OQ came on the scene with the writers trying to ram OQ down the audience’s throats. CS have had it too easy for too long so some angst is heading their way.
“Fall” but recovery. It’s never going to “fall” the way you envision. Yes the writers are currently enamored of OQ as well, but there were plenty of CS moments in 4A and in 4B so far. It’s not going to go anywhere. Angst coming their way (as we all know it is, thanks to some spoilers) means nothing in the grand scheme.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think CS could possibly be heading for a fall. They’re not the writers’ favourite couple anymore since OQ came on the scene with the writers trying to ram OQ down the audience’s throats. CS have had it too easy for too long so some angst is heading their way.
I know, on one level, that the writers have given into fan pandering before, and that they therefore may be “full-steam ahead” with CS, but my gut still tells me CS isn’t being written as “end-game.” (Then again, my gut told me that SF was “end-game” and then Neal died). There have been quite a few cracks in the way CS has been written. For example, in S3 Hook was teaching Henry that cheating is okay as long as you win, Hook hid important details from Emma about Zelena cursing his lips, and there was that glaringly obvious anti-TL kiss in S3. In S4, Will Scarlet made remarked that Hook was just using the son to get in with the mom. Rumple was right on the money when he warned Hook about that whole fake “cursed hand” experiment, which was meant to reveal that Hook hasn’t changed, not really. Hook hit Will Scarlet, of his own free will, and then covered it up by lying about it to Emma. There was the hurt look of revelation from Emma when Hook talked about there being lots of blondes he’d potentially have been interested in. Hook told Belle that “the crocodile had tricked him” and yet omitted the fact that Hook first tried to blackmail Rumple. Just last week, Hook was obviously debating in his head whether he really “has a mark in the hero’s column” as Emma seems to believe at present. There is the recent sneak peek of Emma realizing that Hook is withholding the truth from her about Ursula, and we also know that Hook is going to seek revenge against Rumple in S4b. Hook continues to battle his demons and to make wrong decisions.
All of these things indicate that Hook isn’t really “reformed” in the same way Regina is. Now maybe these doubts Hook is having could actually spur him to come clean with everyone, and for him to achieve actual redemption. However, whether that would alienate Emma, who already has trust issues in abundance, is another matter. (Again I *know* Emma will probably “forgiven and forget” where Hook is concerned, but these things have been written in, so it’s still worth noting these observations). I just think that *if* S5 were absolutely the last season, and *if* the writers were fully aware of that fact, then they could risk taking a hard left and make CS split up by 4×22. The writers would have nothing much left to lose, (except maybe committed Hook fans) since it’s been shown that CS is not as big a ship as say, SQ, and I don’t think the writers even wanted CS until that part of the fandom whined loudly enough to be heard, so much so that a man was killed for a ship.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I had a really long response to Slurpeez and deleted it since, in the end, it’s just not worth pointing out what I know she already knows (perhaps deep down inside?)
But the basic sum is this: it is absolutely worth it to keep track of all the times that Hook has been shown to still be a villainous pirate who makes terrible choices and isn’t as reformed or redeemed or special snowflake-y as the writers want you to believe. It’s essential to us as watchers and critics. However, and I cannot stress this enough, the writers don’t care. All the instances in 3B or 4A where Hook was shown to still be Hook-ish are over. The writers don’t carry those ideas through to the next season. Hook actually stabbing Rumple in his car or beating up Will? Never going to come up again. It has been 6 weeks in SB time and Emma learned everything OffScreen and didn’t care. The fact that CS Kiss = removal of Emma’s powers? Doesn’t matter to the writers cause that was in 3B and we are no longer in 3B. Once the arcs are done, they are done and the writers come up with some new mini arc will little to connection to the previous one. I understand if people need to believe that CS isn’t endgame in order to be happy; that’s fine. But I firmly believe that this season will end with CS TLK somehow saving the day (ignore S3B, that was a year ago and the writers don’t *care*) and that this show will end with a CS wedding to parallel Snowing’s. CS can have all the angst the writers want, but it won’t stop it from being the endgame for Emma Swan, if only because this show is on its last leg and they need a nice neat happy ending for all involved (excluding, potentially, Rumple but that has more to do with how I read Bobby’s currently mannerism on and off this show)
As Ranisha has said countless times now: there is always a way, but there is no will
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I had a really long response to Slurpeez and deleted it since, in the end, it’s just not worth pointing out what I know she already knows (perhaps deep down inside?)
Purely based on a “fool-me-twice-shame-on-me” level, I realize that CS could remain in tact by the end of the series. However, based purely on the writing decisions concerning the Hook-Emma dynamic and the surprisingly consistent way in which Hook has been portrayed as a wolf in sheep’s clothing, no, I don’t think deep down that CS is end-game. It’s one thing for the writers to white-wash Hook’s character on the surface to make CS a “right-now” relationship, but a completely different thing to show what lies beneath and still expect the GA to respond favorably to such a pairing. No, deep down, my mind and my heart reject CS as “end-game” even if that is ultimately what ends up happening due to a rushed, sloppy ending.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
It’s one thing for the writers to white-wash Hook’s character on the surface to make CS a “right-now” relationship, but a completely different thing to show what lies beneath and still excpect the GA to respond favorably to such a pairing.
But this is kind of my point. They don’t care about GA response to such a pairing. They are 10000000% more concerned with their fandom response (hence Neal’s death in the first place). To them, the GA all has amnesia and won’t remember stuff from a season ago, so they can keep contradicting themselves and trotting out bipolar characters and the GA will never know, in their minds. But for the fandom that keeps careful track, they play a tight game of baiting as many of the shippers as possible to keep them hooked. So last episode we got CS, we got some OQ, we got some Rumbelle, and we got some SQ because those are the vocal majority that they need to keep tethered. A and E know this is almost over. The show won’t last beyond a S5 and I think they know that. So they don’t care if the GA responds favorably or not.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A and E know this is almost over. The show won’t last beyond a S5 and I think they know that.
But that was my original point. The writers probably know that the end is within sight, and so they have nothing left to lose. Sure they’ll “ship bate” right, left and center, up until they totally disappoint certain fans’ hopes. They’ve done it before, and they can do it again. Once ABC says that’s it, your ticket is up, then the writers no longer have to push CS, since TPTB no longer are breathing down their necks to promote Hook or that ship. The writers can then dismantle it, and go in a direction they actually want in S5 (if, and only if, they don’t care about ratings beyond S4).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
A and E know this is almost over. The show won’t last beyond a S5 and I think they know that. So they don’t care if the GA responds favorably or not.
But that was my original point. The writers probably know that the end is within sight, and so they have nothing left to lose. Sure they’ll “ship bate” right, left and center, up until they totally disappoint certain fans’ hopes. They’ve done it before, and they can do it again. Once ABC says that’s it, your ticket is up, then the writers no longer have to push CS, since TPTB no longer are breathing down their necks to promote Hook or that ship. The writers can then dismantle it, and go in a direction they actually want in S5 (if, and only if, they don’t care about ratings beyond S4).
You and I see it differently, then. A and E don’t have to do what ABC says once they know their time is up, but your implication is that ABC alone is responsible for CS. I don’t believe that to be the case. I think A and E are perfectly happy to keep CS endgame. Yes, they wanted SF at the star, that was their plan. But Hook excited them as well as CS and they decided to gladly change midstream when ABC began to push them to. Killing Neal is proof enough of that. If they wanted to keep their original plan on the back burner for when ABC stopped their pushing, they woulnd’t have killed him. The issue that we see on screen is that the writers don’t appear to be talking to each other or caring about the kinds of contradictions they are presenting. They just want shiny.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"happy sunday!!!
We all know why he is dead, they all know why he is dead.
Yes, and the truth is that even adam already stoped fighting by saying there was a story line about Neal death, is very clear to everyone why he died, well to everyone, no, the Csers dont acept that, bc that is saying Hook is just a second choice.
I actually wouldn’t mind this scenario so much as it would still allow room for the Rumple and Henry aspects of Baelfire’s story to be explored. I honestly don’t know why the writers didn’t go this route in the first place. Having to de-age Nealfire to save his life would still give the tragedy of losing Neal but would throw up a whole lot of other story potential: How would Henry deal with having a father only slightly older than himself who doesn’t remember he has a son? How would Rumple react to having a son who is still angry at him for letting him go? How would Baelfire react to finding out he’s done all these things and loved all these people but can’t remember any of it? How would Emma react to the man she loved no longer existing but still being alive? etc.
Nope, Like @RG said they need Bae totally erased, and i expect that by 422 they achieve that by rewriting the book, to make it like Bae died on the ogre wars, Rumple took the curse bc he wanted power, Zelena took regina place and cast the curse bc she was jealous of Regina and Snow happiness, and hook is in fact henry father, so Neal never existed
I think CS could possibly be heading for a fall. They’re not the writers’ favourite couple anymore since OQ came on the scene with the writers trying to ram OQ down the audience’s throats. CS have had it too easy for too long so some angst is heading their way.
JMo answers about this on the tweets last week, was very direct, i no use of i hope so, when asked by 2 diferent fans if CS would have a happy ending, she said yes, bc they care about each other and they have a strong connection, so hinting to endgame, which made SQ fans complain to Adam, and him saying she didnt said anything bad about CS being endgame, but after deleted, guess Nopoilers
Also found one pic of Dylan with the same clothes from the pic with raphael, and the pic i found was from april 2014, so no recent.
In another news MRJ is already in Atlanta to Film Game of silent pilot, think will start filming this week.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
That is my darling Nealfire the Phoenix. Look at that swag. 
Look at this face. 
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