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I agree Ranisha and PoM. Maybe they will hero-glaze Hook some more and show he was a revolutionary pirate, in the tradition of classic story types. There’s also Scarlet Pimpernel and Zorro. There’s a lot they could blend in if they want, but so far I would have a hard time matching that up to his bullying of the beggar, his remarks on Jimmny’s looks, and just other small moments.
Hook seems like maybe he was in the shadow of Liam a bit, despite that he did feel hopeless and snapped on his death. There’s just this boastfulness to Hook that often oversells his true accomplishments. How many people have we seen best him? I think we need more than 1 hand. Belle, Greg, Tamara, Regina (didn’t need magic to push him off a cliff!), Gold (didn’t need magic to beat him down with a cane!), Cora, and of course Emma (with an umbrella stand, and in the fight they say he “threw”). There’s his lines about how “even I never ” went into Shadow Valley (but Bae apparently did at 14?).
I just don’t know how much we’re supposed to trust what he says, or whether some of it is not entirely true, but I do think he is not a thug-style pirate who hurts others simply because he enjoys it. I don’t think he is truly a sadist. I do think he is insecure, despite his outward show of confidence and that a lot of his behavior and half-truths stem from a desire to appear more useful, survival instincts, rather than a more malicious place like Regina pre Season 3. Regina lied sometimes just because she could, as she did to Hansel and Gretel about their father leaving. Maybe she’s changed now but I can’t fully trust her character is just all sweet and goodness now any more than I can believe it for Hook.
As RG said, there were magical reasons, and manipulation and abuse that explain why Gold and Regina turned out the way they did. Hook’s story feels like while he is less evil overall in terms of his actions, he is more responsible for that evil (well that’s buying the magic darkness warping Regina brain theory, otherwise I still think she did a lot of it on her own).
What’s really funny against it all though is the contrast to Neal, who is very understated about anything he’s done. He apologizes, owns up to his mistakes, but doesn’t try to take credit for things he doesn’t deserve, not even a little bit. He does the right thing, as he did saving Whale, not because he wants to be admired and loved, but because it is the right thing to do. He’s a good person basically, who may not be as out-ward focused and heroic to the extent that he goes out looking for people to save, but he steps up to the plate when the ball comes his way.
[adrotate group="5"]“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
There’s a lot they could blend in if they want, but so far I would have a hard time matching that up to his bullying of the beggar, his remarks on Jimmny’s looks, and just other small moments.
THIS. I have such a hard time buying the “Hook the Hero” arc not because of the big things he’s done–like shoot Belle–but all the smaller things that just straight up bullying. I know like must bullies it probably comes from insecuirty and needed to maintain their own status as “big man on campus” but I read a lot of ONCE confessions on Tumblr about how watching Hook bully people brings up painful memories of going through it in HS or earlier. If they wanted him to be a murderous pirate, that’s easier to swallow because it doesn’t hit as close to home. It wouldn’t bother me if they left him a villain like they were going to. He was originally intended to be a villain to match Rumple and be in league with Cora for a 10 episode arc of S2.
As RG said, there were magical reasons, and manipulation and abuse that explain why Gold and Regina turned out the way they did. Hook’s story feels like while he is less evil overall in terms of his actions, he is more responsible for that evil (well that’s buying the magic darkness warping Regina brain theory, otherwise I still think she did a lot of it on her own).
Like Ranisha said, Hook could have fought the system in a different way. Persuade other Navy Captains to join his righteous cause, make an alliance against his king and fought him honorably. But he chose the most extreme path possible.
What’s really funny against it all though is the contrast to Neal, who is very understated about anything he’s done. He apologizes, owns up to his mistakes, but doesn’t try to take credit for things he doesn’t deserve, not even a little bit. He does the right thing, as he did saving Whale, not because he wants to be admired and loved, but because it is the right thing to do. He’s a good person basically, who may not be as out-ward focused and heroic to the extent that he goes out looking for people to save, but he steps up to the plate when the ball comes his way.
I’m sure we all noticed but when Neal told Rumple that he was going to cure Charming because it was the right thing to do, Neal actually pulled Rumple away from the group. He didn’t need Emma to over hear, he wasn’t looking for an “oh my hero! I shall now fall into your arms” moment.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"KFC well spoken!! Another point is Colin said he played Hook like a sociopath in S2, so that can come into play in his characterization and behaviors. I could see Hook having some sort of redemption but it would be something I thought would take a few seasons to get to, even then he would be more of an anti hero.
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
RG thats what I like about Neal, he does it just because its the right thing to do not because it will give him brownie points!
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
As much as I love Swanfire…they will have nothing on this family of HoodMills!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
RG thats what I like about Neal, he does it just because its the right thing to do not because it will give him brownie points!
Yes that was one of my favorite Nealfire moments of the season!
WR that’s a nice pic! How about one big family? The SwanFire HoodMills! (with special apperances by the Stiltskins and Charmings)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I actually can see Neal and Robin getting along really well. I wonder how that might affect either romance–double dates sure bring it on! Of course in this show that would mean battling a Yeti or something.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I actually can see Neal and Robin getting along really well. I wonder how that might affect either romance–double dates sure bring it on! Of course in this show that would mean battling a Yeti or something.
Agreed. They got along pretty well in 301 and 303. I think Neal would totally get RH’s code of honor. FireHood Broship!! 🙂
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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