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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • March 26, 2015 at 1:26 pm #299937
    Rainbow
    Participant

    Ain't nobody f'n with my clique. *kanye voice. Me and my boys @MRaymondJames @LarenzTate @DavidHudgins3 #davidlyons pic.twitter.com/3cMEgES1sh

    — Bre Blair (@breblair1) March 26, 2015

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    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

    March 26, 2015 at 2:13 pm #299940
    heatherc1275
    Participant

    MRJ HAS MY FAVORITE HAT ON. *faints* 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

     


    #MoreBOOMLessGloom

    March 26, 2015 at 2:17 pm #299941
    Rainbow
    Participant

    Bre faved my tweet to her, yesterday also she faved something i sent to some  other Gos actress i follow and she follows me back, the actress that follows me even Rt my tweet. rEally love this cast, hope this is picked and is a hit.

    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

    March 26, 2015 at 2:43 pm #299944
    Rainbow
    Participant

    Another GOS tweet from another actor

    here

    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

    March 26, 2015 at 5:17 pm #299949
    kfchimera
    Participant

    The story they are telling us, isn’t the story they told us.   And what they tell us now, won’t be what they will say a few episodes from now that they told us.  It’s how this show goes.

    In S1, I recalled a slight flirtatious vibe to August and Emma. Come S2 thing change though, and off-screen the writers claim they were going for a brother/sisterly relationship.  They barely feature August at all, leaving him on quite the cliffhanger, until they bring him back for some surprise twist moments where we find out he had a big hand in not just a big heartbreak for Emma, but also the then recently introduced Neal.  August is wracked with guilt about having been cowardly, deceitful and selfish–and before he can do much more than confront Tamara, a new problem he just learns about, nothing to do with his own previous bad actions, he winds up getting “rebooted” into a kid.   So I was sort of expecting if we ever saw him as an adult again that there would be some heavy tension both from his side and Emma’s–but watching their sweet, happy, tension free reunion, I think its another case of the writers simply recasting what they have written previously.

    Sure, there could be more scenes where August and Emma work through things, but I doubt it, and predict its not even going to happen off-screen.  Far as these writers are concerned any of that past stuff was “dealt” with, because its all ancient history now, right?  Even the recent story of Snow’s mayor gig was smushed into a montage where we find out she gives it up and Regina winds up back in power.  That’s more than we got for the explanation for how all folks caught in Curse 2 are totally ok living in town, and totes ok with not returning–even the ones who weren’t in Curse 1 like Aurora or the Merry Men.  Seriously, our town leaders discovered a portal to a neighboring kingdom that is a boat ride away from their own lands, and its not even a thought that maybe someone besides Elsa and Anna might urgently need to get back home?!

    Its fun to mock it and point out all the nonsensical bits, and I’m sorry for those of you who do feel angry and annoyed–but I hope you can kind of get to this same point of finding humor in the show’s total awfulness.

    It’s like they don’t even realize how they undermine the story they want to tell anymore with the changes they make to try to sell whatever is the current focus.  So now we have Emma telling Regina she kept the bug just because she stole it and likes yellow.   Yes, that erases Neal, but it also erases part of the Emma Swan we used to know, the troubled, emotional Emma Swan and replaces her with Emma Swan, jerk and who likes taking stuff that isn’t hers.  So this Emma had a pretty swanky place in NY during the last year, and could have replaced her stolen yellow car, but didn’t, because she didn’t feel like it.  The previous version of Emma kept that car because it was heavily implied it had meaning to her.  It was part of a mystery of why would a man who abandoned her go to the effort of getting a clean VIN  number and sending her the car, but nothing else?   It’s probably what led to her going to Tallahassee for two years and waiting–but now we won’t have any on-screen confirmation about why she did that, if the writers even remember they wrote that in to the story, it will likely be recast as something about some new character.  If not Lily, then one introduced in another season, that will be why she went there.

    Meanwhile, the writers are unintentionally  eroding the story they created for Emma and the Charmings, making it seem like there wasn’t really a good reason they gave her up.  We’ve now learned curses can be outrun.  That there are places outside the reach, like hangman’s island or the top of the Giant’s beanstalk.  There were more beans too!  Memory curses can be added–and well who even knows what else is true.  I’m sure there will be more things revealed  that if applied back to the Charming’s situation will undercut their desperation originally presented in S1.  The same has happened with Rumple’s elaborate plan to cast the curse to cross world to get to his son–seems the Land Without Magic is practically a world hopping station these days.

    With all that background, what’s happening with Neal is just systematic of a story that went from one thing to another, which is pretty obviously, the story of how Killian Jones and Regina Mills get their respective Happy Endings–Rumple’s no longer on the list.    All other character development stories are pretty much written like notes in the sand, washed away by the next wave of inspiration.  Henry’s adjustment after a year in New York with real friends back to small town life? Barely a cut scene on the floor, as was his grief over his father or his attempts to “bond” or pretend to bond with his grandfather, the whole apprentice story a total pointless detour.  I already mentioned the Mayor thing, and for Snow, her fear of letting go of her baby has apparently been 100% cured because he’s now spending most of his time with off-screen babysitters it would seem.  We could have used a story of say, Emma holding her baby brother and if they had to, they could put her boyfriend in there confessing he has history with Ursula and feels bad about it.  Instead, they write Hook as only trying to do something about his past wrong when it can serve to thwart Rumple, a goal he would achieve by shooting Ursula if he could, until Ariel shows up (that other person he wronged) and not only gives him a pass for inadvertently saving her from a trap (illogical ship shrinking from a ice wielding magic person)–but its all offscreen from Emma once again.   I don’t think that’s evidence of Hook continuing to be a bad guy so much as it is  bad writers who don’t even realize having Hook not disclose certain things to Emma makes both characters look bad.  Not letting her have a chance to help guide his moral transition, making it seem like  she’s getting a rosier picture of his reform or worse, that she actually doesn’t care if he’s still occasionally a bad guy to others–depending on whether you think they talk about these things offscreen or not.   When Greg got run over, she was the one to say it would be murder to let him die, and to sound totally aghast at the idea–this new Emma? She would probably  be the first one to suggest letting a stranger die to protect their secret town.  Or that she understands doing it, or something because they’re now trying to build up Dark Emma.   Without seeing Emma taking moral stands in the show, except you know, off screen, it just sort of erodes that heroic aspect she once had, particularly when she has too many moments of understanding things like kidnapping (Regina with Sidney), or evasions (like whatever Hook told her about the hatting, blackmail and all that).

    So the worst thing about Neal erasure is that the show can’t do more of it to the point the fans who feel the need to rant about what a jerk he was in some kind of spell of shattered sight  way, totally ignoring all the scenes where he acknowledged he’d hurt Emma, apologized and was trying to earn back her trust, can’t just forget about him.  I suppose those who do it on a too regular basis likely have their own issues with an ex-boyfriend, an impression furthered by reading things like “if my ex said this”–well, Neal did a lot of positive things most people’s ex’s wouldn’t do FOR them, like when he gave up his memories, or his life for Emma.   He was flawed, but what character on this show is not? So if erasure can work to get those types of fans to stop with the rants and leave those of us who saw potential in the character to just miss the character in peace? I’d say they should do even more of it.

    With Game of Silence, those of us who are not just fans of Neal, but MRJ as an actor will be able to enjoy MRJ  in a new role, more than likely a better written one (hardly impossible for it to be otherwise).      I don’t want Neal to return to this show, because he’s a character who fits in a different show, a different era and purpose to the story.  This new story just doesn’t have  a place for him, or the Emma Swan he used to know, or even the Henry they both discovered and learned to love.  Those characters are ALL gone.  In their place, is a gravestone for Neal, a Jared Gilmore shaped block for plot exposition and delivering clunky dialog like “Chocolate Frosted Donuts”, and whatever it is we can call Emma Swan these days–Jones’ Girlfriend and Mill’s BFF  I guess.   She’s just not as interesting a character as she used to be.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    “If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

    March 26, 2015 at 6:41 pm #299953
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    LOVIN the pics of Mikey today!

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 26, 2015 at 6:51 pm #299954
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    The story they are telling us, isn’t the story they told us. And what they tell us now, won’t be what they will say a few episodes from now that they told us. It’s how this show goes.

    I love when you pop in. I miss your posts (and you)

    Its fun to mock it and point out all the nonsensical bits, and I’m sorry for those of you who do feel angry and annoyed–but I hope you can kind of get to this same point of finding humor in the show’s total awfulness.

    I find humor in the way those of us still watching react to it while we are watching. There’s a lot of funnies being dropped. Then I just get angry. Then I get melancholy.

    With all that background, what’s happening with Neal is just systematic of a story that went from one thing to another, which is pretty obviously, the story of how Killian Jones and Regina Mills get their respective Happy Endings–Rumple’s no longer on the list.

    This

    I don’t want Neal to return to this show, because he’s a character who fits in a different show, a different era and purpose to the story.

    Holy moly, that.

    In their place, is a gravestone for Neal, a Jared Gilmore shaped block for plot exposition and delivering clunky dialog like “Chocolate Frosted Donuts”, and whatever it is we can call Emma Swan these days–Jones’ Girlfriend and Mill’s BFF I guess. She’s just not as interesting a character as she used to be.

    She’s Pod! Emma. She isn’t Emma. I don’t know who she is or what happened to Emma (well, yes, I do. She got a boyfriend and everything became about the boy, until it’s about the girlfriend….because all ships must be played to!)

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 26, 2015 at 8:48 pm #299964
    katsqueak
    Participant

    kfchimera, I so enjoyed your post!
    I am a fringe follower now, but I still come here because I really enjoyed Neal’s thread of the story and I enjoy hearing the people here. The rest of the show is just a train wreck.
    Hope everyone has a great rest of the week!

    March 26, 2015 at 11:08 pm #299974
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    We watched Dirty Dancing tonight at the Ranch. Jo brought up a good point: this is a total Nealfire song.

    I have to go cry now

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 26, 2015 at 11:37 pm #299976
    heatherc1275
    Participant

    Just more wise words from me tonight…. 😉

    Patrick Swayze could hold me up in a lift anytime. And then bring me down gently into his loving embrace. 😀

     


    #MoreBOOMLessGloom

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