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I agree. I don’t think Hook has feelings for Emma outside of friendship and lots of playful flirting. I think they will bond over Neal and doing right by him because Hook’s actions in 222 were prompted by his guilt over Nealfire, not his desire for Emma. I think Hook and Emma will be best friends in the end and Neal will be fine with that because he has to repair his relationship with Hook as well.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"You guys make my heart happy. Thanks for all the SwanFire feels you’ve posted here. I feel all warm and fuzzy now and that’s way better than the grumpy, headache filled, cranky, and tired person I was the other night, LOL š
#MoreBOOMLessGloomWhenever I think about SwanFire, which has been happening a fair bit lately, I always seem to end up with warm, meant to be, fuzzies. š I’ve decided that whenever the show ends, it should end with a fairytale book closing, the title on the cover being, “The Saviour and the Thief”, SwanFire’s very own fairytale which is being written right in front of our eyes.
Just saw this tumblr post that everyone should see, especially anyone who has been wondering if fandom noise might influence K&H…
Brief reminder that Adam & Eddy could have screwed Swanfire for life if they wanted to. They could have given Neal a REAL fiancee – that is, someone he felt genuine love for, and someone who loved him back to a certain extent. They didnāt. The whole thing: a setup. They could have given him a rotten reason to have abandoned Emma and Henry – they didnāt. In their words, it was a āsacrificeā. They made it NOBLE. They could have ended their love story right there, in that beach scene. They didnāt. Instead, they sent the dude through a portal after he and Emma admitted their feelings for each other. They could have killed Neal. They didnāt.
They had plenty of chances to sink that ship.
They made it stronger.
These. Are. The facts.
Agreed! The more I think about it and the more I remember stuff Adam and Eddy have said before, I think it’s very likely that ABC loves Hook and A and E like him very much but have always intended for Nealfire to be the endgame. But they recognize that there is potential for TV drama a la love triangle so CSF will happen.
Character development wise it would be really good for Hook to give up Emma. I’m not saying have his heart broken but to realize that he can’t steal another man’s love, especially when that man is Milah’s son. Hook doesn’t want to be the villain anymore and being able to recognize that Swanfire is TL and leave them be is a big step for him. Besides, I maintain that CaptainSwan will be much better as friends."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It is not “stealing”, so much as it is about crossing emotional lines. Hook has a relationship with Neal, and even though Emma doesn’t know that yet, Hook knows it. And though they both are unaware that Neal is alive, we know and the writers know it.
Adam tweeted the DVD deleted scenes should be canon–which means, Hook knows Neal might have dumped Tamara for Emma. He also likely knew Tamara didn’t love Neal, and that Tamara and Greg were a thing.
Hook of course is a pirate, and pirates don’t balk at crossing lines. Yet he is a pirate who wants to change. So we’ll have to see how it plays out, and I think it will be very different than a lot of fans are speculating, just as last year after Paley Fest things turned out 180 different than a lot of fans speculated.
āIf I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?ā -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Adam tweeted just yesterday…
@HeckL45 @May_Jacks we love the network, but promotion is their job, making the show is ours. Two different things.
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) September 2, 2013
Stuff in the media right now will have CS together, which is inevitable, because they’re in the same world, and working together. ABC have no SF stuff to pimp right now, even if they wanted to. It’s probably why the triangle has been talked up in the media recently. Not like they can use SF stuff to promo the start of the season, so push the hype about the other ship instead, so they’ll have something to allude to in promos.
But K&H know how things are gonna change once Neal is back on the scene, because they know the plan they have for the story, so they know that eventually, SF and their fans will get their shot at promo and togetherness too.
You’re right, KFC, I shouldn’t have used the word stealing because Emma isn’t some prize to be won (to quote Princess Jasmine) she makes her own choices. Colin hurting his leg was a total bummer on the CaptainFire front because they were supposed to have scenes together to establish what kind of relationship Neal and Hook have nowadays. I popped over to the CS thread and they’ve been reading our posts too (hello CS’ers!) and someone made the observation of do Neal and Hook even have any kind of relationship because they spent a few days together on a boat and nothing more. And it’s been roughly 200 years since that. But I think the events of 222 show that they do: Hook turned the ship around because of Bae. There was a reason the camera showed Hook looking at the directions he had carved on to the JR with Bae all those years ago. I think Hook feels unbelievably guilty over what happened to Bae both then and now. The deleted scenes that made it on to the DVD are canon so Hook knows all about Tamara and her less than loving relationship with Nealfire. Saving Henry isn’t just for Emma to Hook, it’s about righting the wrong choices he made with Neal, mainly choosing his revenge over someone he wanted to raise as his son. I really need me some CaptainFire interaction post haste! I’m not saying that Hook’s relationship with Neal is strong enough to hinder him trying to make a play for Emma but I think it will weigh on him.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Hook turned the ship around because of Bae. There was a reason the camera showed Hook looking at the directions he had carved on to the JR with Bae all those years ago. I think Hook feels unbelievably guilty over what happened to Bae both then and now. The deleted scenes that made it on to the DVD are canon so Hook knows all about Tamara and her less than loving relationship with Nealfire. Saving Henry isnāt just for Emma to Hook, itās about righting the wrong choices he made with Neal, mainly choosing his revenge over someone he wanted to raise as his son. I really need me some CaptainFire interaction post haste! Iām not saying that Hookās relationship with Neal is strong enough to hinder him trying to make a play for Emma but I think it will weigh on him.
Yes, I completely agree with your assessment of Captain Hook’s motivations in 2×22! Not only does Hook regret what happened to Baelfire as a child, but Hook certainly cares about what happened to Baelfire as an adult. While Hook may think Emma is fair game now that he believes Neal is dead, I think that will change when Neal reappears in S3. If Hook is really becoming a changed man (as so many CS fans promote) then Hook would hopefully stand aside from Emma out of Ā genuine affection for Bae. In fact, Hook may have even felt guilty about taking Milha away from little Bae and destroying his family so much so that he offered to form a new family with 14-year-old Bae. I doubt that Captian Hook would want to again destroy Bae’s chance of a family with Emma and Henry after Hook basically helped destroy Bae’s family as a child.
"Thatās how you know youāve really got a home. When you leave it, thereās this feeling that you canāt shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
WORD to all of that RG & slurpeez, (saw your posts just now when I was about to finally post mine, good thing I checked, though mine might be a bit repetitive in places now).
I’m seriously bummed we didn’t get any present day CaptainFire interaction. Why did homey have to go and break his leg on that particular day?!
It is not āstealingā, so much as it is about crossing emotional lines. Hook has a relationship with Neal, and even though Emma doesnāt know that yet, Hook knows it. And though they both are unaware that Neal is alive, we know and the writers know it.
Adam tweeted the DVD deleted scenes should be canonāwhich means, Hook knows Neal might have dumped Tamara for Emma. He also likely knew Tamara didnāt love Neal, and that Tamara and Greg were a thing.
Yes. Back in the day, Hook begged Bae to stay on the JR. Colin has confirmed that it was a sincere offer, and if Bae had wanted to stay, Hook would have done whatever was necessary to keep him safe. Now, granted, Hook stood by and let Neal get used by Tamara, but given their previous relationship, Hook wouldn’t have achieved anything positive by approaching Neal to tell him that Tamara was using him. It’s actually similar to Neal’s mindset when he didn’t rush to see Emma. “I screwed her/him over, they feel totally betrayed by me, they won’t want to see me, let alone speak to or listen to me.”
Hook hadn’t counted on Bae’s life having been in danger though, and frankly, Tamara’s lucky she didn’t get a hook through the neck when she so casually said she’d killed him. That was the kid he’d wanted to be a father to that she was talking about. That’s Milah’s blood that she was talking about. Just because he’s agreed to not kill Rumple any more (for the moment at least) that doesn’t mean the love he’s carried around for Milah for 300 years has evaporated, and by extension, it doesn’t mean the affection he had for Bae back then has evaporated either. Once Hook discovers that Bae is indeed still alive, he’ll be hugely relieved, and won’t want to cause the kid any more pain.
There’ll inevitably be friction if CS have a close friendship, because Neal won’t like Emma being close to someone he has an unsavoury history with and doesn’t trust. Meanwhile, Hook will be hoping at the very least for a civil relationship with Neal. Emma will be stuck in the middle, loving Neal, but also feeling a strong connection to Hook. It’s still triangle-ish, even if CS never get romantic.
I’m curious to see how Hook will relate to Emma from here on in. We’ve only seen them interact for 2 seconds since he found out she’s the mother of Bae’s son, of Milah’s grandson. I wonder if he’ll see her in a new light now, have a new respect for her, and dial back the flirting?
Also, we know that Hook is all about a man fighting for what he wants, and we’ve had comments in interviews that say that Neal is gonna fight like hell to get back to Emma and Henry. If a guy is shot, falls through a portal to a land with no medical help, and no easy portals to get out, and yet he still manages to survive and find a way back…that’s the kind of dedication that Hook will respect.
I know that I look at all of this stuff with the SF endgame shipper bias, but I also look at it as a big fan of Hook. I’m really looking forward to seeing how he evolves in S3, and the way I view him, the belief I have that he can change for the better, I don’t really see him wanting to stand in the way of two people he cares about wanting to be together.
@hjboyer yes
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) September 4, 2013
Yay! I was a bit worried we’d only see Neal in a few episodes but I think his story of getting back to his papa (and Emma!) are going to be very interesting to watch.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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