Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[Josephine]

Belle ships it

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Belle is very excited to be on her adventure. She ships Swanfire bigtime 😛

On the other hand, it outright dismisses what in fact does come after, which is all the more complicated, messy, mundane ways in which relationships must be kept alive.

The sad thing is what comes after would be fascinating. I’d have loved to see more bonding and the repercussions from Snowing being reunited with Emma. Or how Rumbelle deals with domesticity and the aspects that are unique to their age difference and each of their issues. Swanfire learning to parent their son even if they never get together as a couple. But no, we get none of that. And it makes me sad.

[PriceofMagic]

And for those relationships that are seemingly still there and redeemed — say, Henry and Regina — the message is that they are simply not enough. It’s fine to pursue a romantic interest, don’t get me wrong, but insofar as the heart of the show was about the complexities of family, by now Henry has been made more or less irrelevant. His presence in the show is, for lack of a better word, perfunctory, except when he’s occasionally used as a (bad) plot device.

I agree. This is one of the reasons why I find it hard to ship OQ. Regina has always been very Henry-centred. Everything she did was about Henry. Now she’s all about Robin to the extent that Henry is literally a walking talking plot device to prop up Regina’s now OQ focussed storyline. Granted, in the first two seasons, Henry’s age prevented him from having any real storylines but now that he’s older he should be doing more. Jared Gilmore can act, as seen with Panry, but Henry is doing less than he did in season 1. He had a purpose in season 1, now it’s just “Henry walks into a scene, Henry says or does something to move the plot along, Henry leaves the scene”.

As you say, it’s fine to pursue a romantic interest, but not to the point where your whole character becomes about being with that love interest. Robin’s character has been absolutely destroyed to make OQ happen, Regina’s character is being dragged down by it too. There is nothing to Robin’s character outside of OQ. It’s such a shame they took Regina, a strong, feisty, independent woman, and turned her into a pining whiner who can’t accept responsibility for her actions whenever Robin is on the scene.

Now that I really think about it… I think S2 was the only season that got better in some sense than the season before it.

And even that is debatable among fans.

I liked s3, hated S4a, like 4b in some way, but yeah, no, OUAT isn’t one of those “Its gets better the more you watch” kind of shows.

I liked 3A except Good Form and Ariel, 3B wasn’t bad but had big problems and wasn’t as good as 3A, 4A was too Frozen focussed and started character assassination, 4B started well then brought back Robin and the OQ drama.

I’ve said it before, but I honestly think the 11/11 split has been bad for Once in the quality of storytelling. There is no time to let characters react to major events, there is no time to flesh out newly introduced characters, there is no time to let characters emote or express their feelings.

Neal’s death should’ve been treated as a major event in the show’s mythology, especially as “Finding Baelfire” was a major part of Season 1 and half of Season 2 and the aftermath continuing through the other half of season 2 and 3A. A lot of characters’ actions could be attributed to the fallout of Neal’s death: Rumple’s slip back into darkness- Rumple falling back onto what’s familiar and also having a crisis that no good deed goes unpunished, Emma jumping into a relationship with Hook- She doesn’t want to confront her pain over the true loss of Neal, Henry focussing on getting Regina’s happy ending- he doesn’t want another parent to die without a happy ending. Instead: Rumple’s backslide is all about power, Emma’s relationship with Hook is all about “twue wuv”, Henry’s focus on Regina’s happy ending is because he doesn’t give a damn.

The complicated, nuanced, LAYERED characters we had in season 1 and 2 are now gone in favour of Plot! Shiny! New Villain! Ship! Rinse and Repeat!

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

Happy Saturday!

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

There is a lot of chatter on Tumblr this morning about consent and specifically about how A and E don’t take the time to think through what it is they are writing and how it manifests on screen. They simply expect their audience to swoon over the TL and shippy ship shipness of it all. They expect that we are, in other words, nothing more than emotional messes and also stupid. We talked about this last night a bit. Audiences aren’t stupid. We aren’t passive vessels who will eat up whatever is fed to us. TV audiences as a whole are becoming more educated, more aware, more understanding of the problems in media culture. When the audience in social media raises concerns about these issues–be it racism, homophobia, mysgony, consent, whatever–we are dismissed as shippers who are just upset for ship reasons. For example, I could say that CS was a clear example of rape culture and I’d be told I’m just an SFer.

The fact is that the TV audience is becoming smarter with what they are consuming, and because we live in an age where social media is a common tool, we are beginning to express our displeasure in what we see as real world issues. So here’s a tumblr post about consent in OUAT and how A and E don’t really take the time to think anything through; they just write for the SHINY MAGIC of it all.

It just means that there are issues of consent in these situations because the writers don’t think about the further reaching implications of what they write, and refuse to acknowledge the situations that they create.

Bless.

The entire premise of using TLK when someone is cursed is problematic because there is no good or right option. There is only less bad or less horrible. Because the only way to bring the impaired person back to their senses is to kiss the or develop a romantic relationship with them. But you can’t kiss them or develop a romantic relationship with them because they are impaired! But you can’t leave them to their own devices because they are impaired and not making choices they would make if they weren’t impaired.

As always, the issue is with the writing and the fact A&E don’t realize half the time that the problematic or just flat out wrong and abusive situations they are writing are problematic at all.

Because they are all problematic in and of themselves, each situation has to be examined in and of itself because each situation is different and has varies levels of ‘wrongness’ as it were. It depends on many things like: Are both parties cursed? Is one person impaired while the other isn’t?

If so, what is the unimpaired person’s motives? Are they trying to help the impaired person remember? Who is responsible for the impaired person’s condition? Does the unimpaired person have other options?

Does it depend on the ‘kind’ of curse it is? (For example Graham wasn’t able to fight back or resist Regina’s influence on him during the curse but after Emma came to town and time started moving again he was able to take a stand in a way that he wasn’t before.)

Hook’s actions are different in this perticular situation because he had what Charming and Rumple didn’t have: a choice.

Charming and Rumple were backed into a corner. The person they loved was hurt and impaired, had lost themselves. The only way to bring them back was TLK.  That’s it. Otherwise Snow and Belle had no way of regaining themselves. It was a situation with no good or right choice.

Hook had another choice. The memory potion. He chose not to use it at first and tried to force a kiss on Emma instead. Only afterward did he choose to employ the other option avaliable to him.

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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Ranisha Pitts]

Neal’s death should’ve been treated as a major event in the show’s mythology, especially as “Finding Baelfire” was a major part of Season 1 and half of Season 2 and the aftermath continuing through the other half of season 2 and 3A. A lot of characters’ actions could be attributed to the fallout of Neal’s death: Rumple’s slip back into darkness- Rumple falling back onto what’s familiar and also having a crisis that no good deed goes unpunished, Emma jumping into a relationship with Hook- She doesn’t want to confront her pain over the true loss of Neal, Henry focussing on getting Regina’s happy ending- he doesn’t want another parent to die without a happy ending. Instead: Rumple’s backslide is all about power, Emma’s relationship with Hook is all about “twue wuv”, Henry’s focus on Regina’s happy ending is because he doesn’t give a damn. The complicated, nuanced, LAYERED characters we had in season 1 and 2 are now gone in favour of Plot! Shiny! New Villain! Ship! Rinse and Repeat!

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THANK YOU.

I could accept and continue to watch this show if Neal death was truly story plan and a very bold move for the series. However there is nothing really BOLD about, I mean Neal was pretty much missing then shows up for an episode, then dies by the end, they have a funeral. Then everyone is skipping along merrily on their way like nothing ever happen. If this was a bold move why was Neal and Baelfire story short change. Why are the characters are tip toeing around Neal/Baelfire name so cautiously. Why does Robin act like he has no idea who Neal is? Why does neither Emma nor Henry are remembering Neal. Why is Henry not even talking about his anger sorrow or bitterness about losing his father and how it much it sucks and its not fair.  It literally like Neal existed and then he didn’t. Now I know they name drop Neal/Bae/Gold’s son here and there but its doesn’t seem organic.

I recalled when the writers said that the love triangle would end by the end  of season 3. And we all said think goodness. Of course we had no idea that they were going to kill Neal to make the love triangle end.  Neal died to end the love triangle and side bonus was they could use it make Rumple evil yet never refer to Neal as being the reason of him going dark. It was all because Zelena power over him, who is back from the dead now paving the way for OQ?

Basically Neal died, CS immediately happen and Rumple went evil that is the extent of it. The End.

But it is what it is. I’ve accepted it.  So I didn’t get the story I was promise in Season 1. I will survive it.

 

Okay here is something cute for you all, there is a puppy name Baelfire in the world! AWWWW

https://twitter.com/sophh_thescript/status/589461605374627841

"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."

[Ranisha Pitts]

https://twitter.com/Sophh_TheScript/status/589461605374627841

Apparently the pic didn’t go with the tweet. Isn’t baby Baelfire adorable.

"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."

[WickedRegal]

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@MRaymondJames I would like to welcome our new baby to the family, Baelfire Apparently the pic didn’t go with the tweet. Isn’t baby Baelfire adorable.

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"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[Ranisha Pitts]

@WickedRegal OMG. I will kick Cruella’s fictional butt if she goes near that puppy! hahahahahhahaha 😀

"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."

[RumplesGirl]

Cute dog. 🙂

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[TheWatcher]

LOL WR!!!!

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