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Emma’s not the only one with odd trust issues. Belle lets a woman who kept her prisoner for years in the EF and then locked in an asylum for 28 years just take her heart to aid in foiling her supposed true love. That is messed up. At least on Grimm, they deal with the emotional repercussions of the plot. Once totally ignores it all.
Ugh. This. But then again Belle and Henry have been largely reduced to the status of plot devices, and not very good ones, either.
Did anyone else find Regina’s ventriloquizing (heartriloquizing?) about the Rumple/Will comparison mildly distasteful? For someone allegedly reformed, even if she is currently enemies with Rumple, I found that to be a bit over the top. I actually think this parallels some of the broader tendencies in the writing of conflicts in OUAT at the moment, where there’s this emphasis on really below the belt verbal cruelty. Emma’s whole thing “I don’t trust [Snowing] with Henry’s life” is in that general category too, it seems.
Villains. They like to gloat.
[adrotate group="5"]Did anyone else find Regina’s ventriloquizing (heartriloquizing?) about the Rumple/Will comparison mildly distasteful?
Yes. The tone was especially harsh, though Rumple did threaten Robin, so I guess Rumple had it coming. Yet, the obvious plot hole I want to know is just how the heck Regina knew what Belle said in her marriage vow to Rumple. Last time I checked, Regina was not at the wedding.
I actually think this parallels some of the broader tendencies in the writing of conflicts in OUAT at the moment, where there’s this emphasis on really below the belt verbal cruelty. Emma’s whole thing “I don’t trust [Snowing] with Henry’s life” is in that general category too, it seems.
Yeah, Emma’s reaction is way harsh and disproportionate. She’s really becoming a callous character, and I dislike her portrayal now.
Also…Emma is behaving like a petulant child right now. I get that she’s angry; she has every right to be. But to say that she doesn’t trust Henry’s life to Snow and Charming?? Are you kidding me? They’d never hurt Henry. It’s actually the opposite of their Lily story–they protected their family first and foremost. If the writers want me to buy that Emma has grown as a character then she needs to develop a new coping mechanism.
She really is. I get that Emma is feeling betrayed by the people who love her most, but if she would just stop and let her rational self control her instead of her emotional self, she’d see more clearly. There is no way Snow and Charming would ever lay a hand on Henry, but Emma cannot seem to see that because Snow and Charming drove darkness into a baby. Emma has got to get a grip emotionally. Like any adult, she needs to see her parents with eyes of grace and realize her parents aren’t perfect. They’re people who generally strive for good but committed an act of sin. If Emma can extend grace to Regina for ruining her entire life and trying to have her killed as an infant, then I’m sure given enough time Emma could work through her feelings of hurt and betrayal. Sadly, I feel like Emma lashes out at those she feels have emotionally betrayed her (e.g. Lily, Neal, her parents). Yet, she extends grace and trust to those who’ve put her actual life in danger (e.g. Hook and Regina). Go figure.
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Did anyone else find Regina’s ventriloquizing (heartriloquizing?) about the Rumple/Will comparison mildly distasteful? For someone allegedly reformed, even if she is currently enemies with Rumple, I found that to be a bit over the top. I actually think this parallels some of the broader tendencies in the writing of conflicts in OUAT at the moment, where there’s this emphasis on really below the belt verbal cruelty.
Definitely. Doing that actually served no purpose in helping Regina save Robin. It was cruelty for cruelty’s sake and the big reason why I didn’t like Regina this episode.
Emma’s whole thing “I don’t trust [Snowing] with Henry’s life” is in that general category too, it seems.
That was a bit over the top. I get that Emma is angry with Snowing, and she has every right to be, but to not trust them with Henry is over dramatic.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixDid anyone else find Regina’s ventriloquizing (heartriloquizing?) about the Rumple/Will comparison mildly distasteful? For someone allegedly reformed, even if she is currently enemies with Rumple, I found that to be a bit over the top. I actually think this parallels some of the broader tendencies in the writing of conflicts in OUAT at the moment, where there’s this emphasis on really below the belt verbal cruelty.
Definitely. Doing that actually served no purpose in helping Regina save Robin. It was cruelty for cruelty’s sake and the big reason why I didn’t like Regina this episode.
See…it didn’t come across as that mega big cruel to me…if anything it seemed like a practical mean joke a friend would play on another friend…like write them a love letter and tell them it’s from their secret crush.
And besides…I’m sure Rumple’s relieved to know those weren’t Belle’s true feelings towards him.
But as for it being cruelty for the sake of cruelty…okay, maybe a lot of vengeance was Regina’s reasoning for saying that, but come on…after what this man put her through the past day or so, even threatening her own soul mate and his son….payback’s a (beep).
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See…it didn’t come across as that mega big cruel to me…if anything it seemed like a practical mean joke a friend would play on another friend…like write them a love letter and tell them it’s from their secret crush.
Who needs enemies when you have “friends” like that?
And besides…I’m sure Rumple’s relieved to know those weren’t Belle’s true feelings towards him.
He did question quite quickly why she was saying those things so even he thought it was out of character for her.
But as for it being cruelty for the sake of cruelty…okay, maybe a lot of vengeance was Regina’s reasoning for saying that, but come on…after what this man put her through the past day or so, even threatening her own soul mate and his son….payback’s a (beep).
It was quite a horrible thing to say to someone who we know has low self-esteem and has felt unlovable. It was also quite juvenile. “Will’s a better kisser than you!” yeah well Rumple’s achieved more home runs, Will’s stuck on first base.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSee…it didn’t come across as that mega big cruel to me…if anything it seemed like a practical mean joke a friend would play on another friend…like write them a love letter and tell them it’s from their secret crush. And besides…I’m sure Rumple’s relieved to know those weren’t Belle’s true feelings towards him. But as for it being cruelty for the sake of cruelty…okay, maybe a lot of vengeance was Regina’s reasoning for saying that, but come on…after what this man put her through the past day or so, even threatening her own soul mate and his son….payback’s a (beep).
Well, hmm. Lets see, there’s the effect that this would have on Rumple, and then there’s Belle’s perspective. Lets say Rumple has it coming. I don’t necessarily agree – to me it felt like crossing a line – but alright. Now, lets look at it from Belle’s perspective. Belle and Regina have a long, and not so positive history. Lets assume your, at best, frenemy, asks whether they can put you under for a bit, while they have the ability to essentially do with your unresponsive body whatever it is — for a good cause, mind you, to stop your crazy ex from doing some damage to their current boyfriend. Lets say that this is some kind of ‘hypnosis’ and they essentially can have your body do whatever it is they think is needed in order to save their love interest. I can imagine that, were I in that scenario, and should I find out that this frenemy made me kiss my ex in order to rub in his face that I have now hooked up with another guy, I would have serious serious qualms with the scenario. (a) She makes Belle kiss Rumple. Why do we assume Belle is OK with this again? (b) She rubs in Rumple’s face that Belle is now enjoying a much better lover (or whatever Will is). I don’t know, this seems to me not just needlessly cruel in that it’s simply a game of one-upmanship with Rumple, but absolutely unethical in relation to Belle.
It seems… high school level Mean Girls sort of drama. These are, presumably, adult people.
all the YAAAAAAAS
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This is where the show ended for me.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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