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April 24, 2015 at 9:57 pm #302560
Josephine
ParticipantYou know it’s a crazy night when Jo is the one talking in all caps and yelling about feelings.
May Sweeps are making us all do things we normally wouldn’t do. Let me just say Grimm is AWESOME. Really, it’s extremely dark and gripping and fantastic. And on at 8pm so none of this “family hour” crap. And it really had the best conversation between three people about the announcement of a baby’s arrival.
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April 25, 2015 at 8:07 am #302562RumplesGirl
KeymasterHappy Saturday!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 25, 2015 at 8:52 am #302563RumplesGirl
KeymasterThis is my favorite GIF set today
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 25, 2015 at 11:25 am #302565Slurpeez
ParticipantI think Dark Emma and Hook are going to be the equivalent of Lacey and Rumple. They don’t bring out the best in each other. Hook tries to play it smooth around Emma, but he’s always struggling to submerge his darker streaks around her and to cover up his shady actions (e.g. punching Will). At least he acknowledges that he may be in the villain’s column, despite Emma’s instance that he has a mark in the hero’s column. (Almost seems like Hook sees himself more clearly while Emma refuses to acknowledge she’s dating someone still bent on revenge). Now that Emma is turning into Black Swan, I almost think that Hook’s darkness will begin to surface more around her. It’s almost like they’re going to feed off of each others’ dark vibes, the same way Rumple and Lacey did. Emma going dark may almost give Hook permission to let his true colors show and not try and pretend to be a man of honor. Also, Emma really shouldn’t be dating someone who openly struggles with darkness since she has heart with the darkest potential. Emma holding Will Scarlet on trumped up charges of crashing her date with Hook is just one example of the bad attitude Emma has as a direct consequence of dating Hook–yet another reason why Hook is Emma’s Mr. Wrong.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
April 25, 2015 at 11:38 am #302566RumplesGirl
KeymasterI almost think that Hook’s darkness will begin to surface more around her. It’s almost like they’re going to feed off of each others’ dark vibes, the same way Rumple and Lacey did
If I had any faith at all left in the writing of this show, I’d agree. But, because I’m me and any and all hope that A and E will wake up and realize what a travesty they’ve made of this our once favorite show died pretty much alongside Nealfire, I have to say I think it will go the opposite.
A and E are enamored of Woobie! Hook. I have no idea why. He is as colorful as a bowl of oatmeal. But they like him and because Woobie! Hook is basically their self-insert/wish fulfillment character, they’ll never take him back to any sort of extreme darkness because they could never see themselves as such nor see their favorite swash buckling dashing hero (Han Solo) doing that. For some inexplicable reason, Human! Rumple is boring but Woobie! Hook is fascinating. They need to straighten out their priorities, but hey. I’ve been saying that for awhile now.
They’ll have him “fighting” for her; saving her soul and dark heart from becoming something truly unholy with the power of his love (and guyliner).
(Meanwhile Henry stands in a corner, making no noise and pretending he doesn’t exist. Snow and Charming stand next to him discussing the other super horrible bad thing they did that has never been hinted at and seemingly came out of left field for no reason other than PLOT)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 25, 2015 at 3:19 pm #302574Ranisha Pitts
ParticipantI almost think that Hook’s darkness will begin to surface more around her. It’s almost like they’re going to feed off of each others’ dark vibes, the same way Rumple and Lacey did
A and E are enamored of Woobie! Hook. I have no idea why. He is as colorful as a bowl of oatmeal.
That’s mean to…..oatmeal.
See oatmeal can be colorful
No insulting oatmeal, it is innocent!
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
April 25, 2015 at 4:14 pm #302575PriceofMagic
ParticipantI think the thing with Hook is that A&E used him as the “bad boy redeemed by love” cliché but with all the Neverland stuff now done, Hook literally has nothing to do other than being Emma’s love interest. His rivalry with Rumple was based off of revenge and avenging Milah’s death, but with Hook now moved on from Milah, that plot point is no longer relevant which is why it’s not meaningful when Hook starts antagonising Rumple again. It’s literally the writers needed something for Hook to do.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixApril 25, 2015 at 7:21 pm #302586nevermore
ParticipantI think the thing with Hook is that A&E used him as the “bad boy redeemed by love” cliché but with all the Neverland stuff now done, Hook literally has nothing to do other than being Emma’s love interest. His rivalry with Rumple was based off of revenge and avenging Milah’s death, but with Hook now moved on from Milah, that plot point is no longer relevant which is why it’s not meaningful when Hook starts antagonising Rumple again. It’s literally the writers needed something for Hook to do.
I think that’s right — and like others here, I suspect the writers won’t explore what it might look like for Hook to “relapse” into his old ways. I think the other problem of what has been done to Emma — and, come to think of it, to most of the lead female characters — is that they have become profoundly defined by their romantic relationships, such that there is no generative conflict outside of the “will they get/stay together” problem (Emma going dark isn’t a character-driven, interesting conflict, IMHO. It’s the equivalent of some kind of perverse laundry experiment where you want to see what will come out in the wash when you toss something “dry clean only” with different colors, fabrics, and color-unsafe bleach on a “hot” cycle — with plot being the washing machine in question).
For a show that started off (and prided itself) on strong, independent female characters with complex inner lives that have little to nothing to do with their romantic aspirations, OUAT is progressively returning to the predictable status quo. If the drama of Emma going dark ends up rotating around the resulting seaworthiness of CaptainSwan, the process will be complete.
Which reminds me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqJrJ0n9oaM
April 25, 2015 at 7:34 pm #302587RumplesGirl
KeymasterIf the drama of Emma going dark ends up rotating around the resulting seaworthiness of CaptainSwan, the process will be complete.
That’s exactly how it’s going to go.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 25, 2015 at 9:35 pm #302594WickedRegal
ParticipantIf the drama of Emma going dark ends up rotating around the resulting seaworthiness of CaptainSwan, the process will be complete.
That’s exactly how it’s going to go.
I just tried to have a hopeful thought that somehow the Author writes Neal alive, and he’d come and give Emma TLK to undo all the darkness….then I remembered that MRJ is on another show, and that there’s no way Adam and Eddy will turn Saint KILLian back into the villain he once was.
Question:
Are they really going to just think that we forgot that Killian having that fake hand showed us who he really is??? I mean…that’s kind of a big deal isn’t it!
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