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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • December 2, 2013 at 10:54 am #227495
    Slurpeez
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    Yet another lovely SF family thing from Tumblr:

     

     

     

     

    I wish this scene had been between Neal and Henry, not Peter Pan, but the feelings and promises from Neal were still very genuine and full of paternal love. Neal is determined to be there for his boy. As Neal said in 3×3, all he has are his boy and Emma (and now his dad since reconciling in 3×9). Neal even said in 3×3 that this is his second chance to do it right, and he’s never going to stop fighting for Emma, just as he promises never leave Henry. I just really want Neal to get his second chance at forming a family with his boy, Emma and now Rumbelle! Family means everything to Emma and Neal since they were without one growing up. I really hope that whatever happens at the end of 3×11 won’t be permanent and that Emma and Henry aren’t stranded for long in NYC with the one-handed pirate with a drinking problem. I would hate it if Neal were torn apart from his boy and Emma again right after he fought so hard to get to them. *Repeat to self: It’s not what you think, it’s not what you think * 

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    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    December 2, 2013 at 11:13 am #227504
    Red
    Participant

    OHHH my heart! Those gifs of Emma’s reaction. I was  too busy sobbing to notice it on my first watch!

    That little girl’s drawing is amazing. A very talented and perceptive 6 year old. 😉

     BTW-When Hook made his “As you wish M’lady” comment, I may or may not have yelled “Oh shut up” at my television set…..talk about ruining a moment. #sorrynotsorry ;) 

    I did exactly the same hahahaha

    ert) Hook “so long as your plan doesn’t fail, she will…” (all snarky) The entire scene was a little contest, again but it played out, IMO, that Neal came off better. Emma wants to know where the Thinking Tree is. Asks Hook who tells her that no one goes there anymore. Neal says, “then let’s make history” Emma asks Neal to stay and guard Henry. Charming asks Neal what they need from him and Snow and Neal tells them what to do. NEAL steps up as the leader! Just like Emma. Then snarky snarky snarky.

    I am so glad Neal was mature enough not to respond. ;’) Hook seemed threatened to me in this scene.. just the way he blinked and then his mouth twitched. When Emma asked Neal to stay behind it really felt like she would have preferred him to come with her.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:20 am #227506
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    I am so glad Neal was mature enough not to respond. ;’) Hook seemed threatened to me in this scene.. just the way he blinked and then his mouth twitched. When Emma asked Neal to stay behind it really felt like she would have preferred him to come with her.

    Once again Hook is very “what about me!? Notice me?! Why aren’t you noticing me?!” Emma trusts her boy to one person only, NEAL. None of us want SF together just for Henry, but he is a factor in Emma’s life. Her biggest factor because Henry is really her TL at the end of the day. And she trusts her true love to Neal. No questions, no problem. She trusts Neal to get everyone together, to be the leader like she has been this whole time.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    December 2, 2013 at 12:18 pm #227515
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Another pretty thing!

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    December 2, 2013 at 12:58 pm #227524
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    From Schmacky,

    Swanfire Team Activate

    Neal: Then let’s make history
    Emma: We’re gonna need you to here. Once we get Henry’s heart it’s going to be a race back. We need help on both ends.
    Neal: Okay.
    David: What do you need from us?
    Neal: Let’s gather up the Lost Boys and get them on board the Jolly Roger. Prepare the ship to fly.

    I don’t know why but this gave me Swanfire feels. Not only do they always work well as a team, but they’re ordering everyone else around 😛 Two lost ones all grown up and leading people.. awwh

    https://www.tumblr.com/schmacky/68791493241/swanfire-team-activate

    Does Hook have amnesia?

    Hook: Let’s hope you have a pegasus sail otherwise we’re mercy of the trade winds.
    Neal: Pan’s shadow is in here, he’ll get us home.

    Seriously, Hook? You went on the mission to retrieve the shadow! You know the plan! I would hope you wouldn’t forget something that you were actively (sort of) involved in, so the only reason you brought up the sail was to jab at Neal’s plan to fly home.

    You’re lame, dude.

    https://www.tumblr.com/schmacky/68791752053/does-hook-have-amnesia

    I’ll admit I had my doubts, but for some reason this past episode convinced me that Captain Swan won’t be anything more than a fling for Emma. Just all those little moments between Emma and Neal- those mean so much more than the constant “as you wish” crap. I really loved that Emma watched Neal forgive Rumple, it showed how far they both came, from thinking of themselves as orphans to both of them having families who love them..

    It’s interesting, isn’t it? That Emma witnessed Neal’s reunion with both Wendy and Rumple? Outside of Henry and Emma, Wendy and Rumple are the most important people to him. It was not necessary to have her witness either, let alone both. But she did. And they even cut to her reaction during Neal’s reunion with his father. She’s seeing a new side of him. All of Neverland Emma has been exposed to a different side of Neal. From the very beginning when Hook gave her Neal’s cutlass to her finding his “childhood home” in the cave to seeing him interact with Rumple to him being pro-active and plan master to his reunion with his pseudo sister and his father. She’s getting to know Neal again, all of him this time.

    As far as Hook goes, honestly, I think Emma could appreciate Hook’s lines and flirting and such if they weren’t in a constant state of life or death situation. But all of his attempts are flying way past the mark because Emma doesn’t care about that right now. She’s not going to swoon over supposed romantic lines or gestures at a time like this. She started seeing Hook differently when he was a man of action, when he backed her up in finding and saving Henry. But outside of that? There is nothing to their growth. Every time he hits on her, she ignores it. Like this last episode with his, “As you wish, my lady.” She completely and absolutely ignored it.

    I don’t think Hook and Emma will be endgame. Or even a serious relationship. There is nothing substantial there. The most I can see is a fling when things calm down for Emma but it looks like that will never happen. Edit: I think because of this new Neverland arc, the writers are going to continue a friendship with Hook and Emma. But when it doesn’t go Hook’s way I do wonder what will happen.

    Neal and Emma, though, they’re getting to know each other again, rely and trust each other again, their friendship will blossom and from there much later a romance will rekindle.

    https://www.tumblr.com/schmacky/68793986333/ill-admit-i-had-my-doubts-but-for-some-reason-this

     

    These posts match a lot of what we were saying. 🙂

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    December 2, 2013 at 1:44 pm #227537
    kfchimera
    Participant

    Slurpeez, that’s excellent! I do think though that its a tash harsh on Hook as he did try to get along with the Charmings, so I am not sure Hook has tried to separate her or undermine her relation with anyone but Neal ( but that was a one step back after a step forward by sharing the secret with the Charmings that Neal was alive thing).

    Hook is complicated, but those complications do mean he’s not all sweetness nor all selfishness and spite.  What happens is some fans overpraise his good moments with the low bar of expectations for a pirate, but he is not a gentleman just for not  being a cad.  He can still be a jerk who is only nice to those who have something he wants, even if he is genuinely nice or mostly nice to them.  The test of his change is how does he treat people when Emma is not there to see ?

     

     

    “If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

    December 2, 2013 at 1:51 pm #227540
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    The test of his change is how does he treat people when Emma is not there to see ?

    But even when Emma is there to see, he is slipping from that “white horse.” His snark, his constant “romantic” throw away lines that she is now ignoring, his competition with Neal when HER SON’S LIFE IS ON THE LINE. He’s a bit like Regina S2, being good ended up not getting him exactly what he wanted. So now’s be back peddling.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    December 2, 2013 at 2:57 pm #227550
    Ranisha Pitts
    Participant

    I’m not sure if he is back paddling or not. I don’t see the writers trying to back paddle Hook because they are going for the hero redemption thing with him. I just think he is naturally acting upon his alpha male instincts with his buck rival Neal, who can alpha male in his own way, but they are also dealing with an alpha female who would but those two bucking wolves in their place especially when her pup is in danger.

    But one thing is shown, Emma and Neal work really well together. I still stand that Neal has helped Emma feel more secure in her role as a leader and mother, pulling away from her feeling like a lost girl and orphan. It just seems like she is whole again. Perhaps Neal coming back from the impossible has helped her see there is hope and that she has her family and her person is now a part of it like she always wanted.

    "I will be kind but I will speak my mind."

    December 2, 2013 at 3:30 pm #227554
    kfchimera
    Participant

    I agree Ranisha!  Whether or not Hook questions if being good makes him happy yet or not, his idea of how to treat people is still shaped by his underlying personality that we saw a glimpse of when he was Killian Jones, dressing down the men.

    Unless we see him betray the group outright again, I will assume he’s just operating as he’s said, sight set on Emma, mode set on impress her.  For all his claims of friendship for Neal, we have yet to see much evidence of it and neither has Emma, other than that he told the secret (but then, Neal did know the way off the island!).

    I thought of something shippy too–when Charming says “In case your good looks fail you”–is that a sign Charming thinks that might happen to Hook, or Hook’s sudden downcast look a sign that Hook is thinking that very well might happen? It is a scene that happens shortly after Emma looked impressed that Neal would get in his father’s face to demand Gold do the favor of saving Charming’s life because it is the right thing to do.   So perhaps Charming is thinking Neal’s character speaks volumes, and while Hook may be handsome, that doesn’t go all that far with Emma.  I know shippy reasoning at its silliest, but that is what a ship thread is meant for doing right?

    “If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

    December 2, 2013 at 3:39 pm #227556
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    I agree Ranisha! Whether or not Hook questions if being good makes him happy yet or not, his idea of how to treat people is still shaped by his underlying personality that we saw a glimpse of when he was Killian Jones, dressing down the men.

    But how is that not backpeddling if he’s reverting to his original personality when at the same time he’s trying to claim that he’s changing and being a hero? Either he’s actively trying to be a hero and change and failing OR he’s realizing that it’s getting him no where so he goes back to what he knows.

    I thought of something shippy too–when Charming says “In case your good looks fail you”–is that a sign Charming thinks that might happen to Hook, or Hook’s sudden downcast look a sign that Hook is thinking that very well might happen?

    Good point. Hook does rely on his looks and is of the opinion that no one could resist him because of it. Cora said something similar back in S2 “you’re pretty face may by a lot but not my time.” (or something..) when Hook was trying to flirt his way back into her good graces.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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