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When Buffy finally told Spike she loved him in the last episode, he turned around and said “no you don’t but thanks for saying it”, he recognised that what they had was never the real deal.
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. He was about to die so Buffy tried to give him a beautiful moment before he went; but instead of it getting almost fanfic-tastic Spike turns around and denies what Buffy is saying, but thanks her for it anyway. The writers never wanted to sell it as a love story for the ages because everyone recognized that 1) Buffy was still really emotionally damaged from living her life as the Slayer and dying twice 2) that Spike was only newly soul’d and had a lot of self-love to find and 3) their relationship had been heavily tinged with violence and deprivation because of Buffy’s status post Heaven-rip and Spike’s own “tamed” vamp status. What Spike did to Buffy was dealt with–it was discussed, it was brought up. It wasn’t shoved to the side and never mentioned. He wasn’t made out to be a saint–even if he did literally lay himself on a cross and bear his sins.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"According to Lana Parrilla at the Spooky Empire yesterday, she and the entire OUAT Cast threw MRJ a big party at a local bar before he left Once, and they all just had a great night out together. At least everyone was there for him….I wish they had pics to share!!
It’s at the 13:45 Mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY8CTuHUEWA
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Or remember back in S2 when we learned that ABC was pushing for more Hook in scenes? They keep suggesting, “put Hook here. Can you put Hook here? We’d like Hook here.”
Good point. But that wouldn’t preclude the show from actually giving Hook some space to develop as a character, rather than shoehorn him into the heartthrob role. For what it’s worth I thought Hook was an entertaining villain, precisely because he was such a scumbag. But then, it’s like POOF, behold, Fabio.
Bingo. I like Spuffy; I actually shipped them while watching BtVS–even though now, grown up, I recognize that it wasn’t as romantic as my younger self thought.
But this is what I thought was done so brilliantly. Yes, I totally shipped them at the time, but now, older and wiser, I … well, it’s hard not to root for them in some way anyway. Even though the relationship is clearly doomed to fail, there’s still something very touching about it, as twisted and problematic as it is. But Joss Whedon doesn’t tend to shove the big issues under the rug, and maybe that’s what makes it so convincing in the end. Of course, by the time Spuffy happens, Spike has a long history on the show — he’s a complicated character in his own right. Unlike Hook.
The difference between Buffy and Once though is that Buffy had Spike earn his acceptance into the group whereas Once just handed it to Hook on the platter.
That’s exactly right. And also, Spike had relationships with other characters — most particularly Dawn, but also in his own way Xander and Willow. Even with limited screen time, and one or two scenes, they came across as tangible and meaty, with a hint of a world in the background that is alive, with events happening even when they aren’t shown to the audience. By contrast, when it comes to Hook, and CS more broadly, there’s this weird flatness to it. Maybe because Hook’s primary relationship outside of Emma appears to be with Rumple, which at this point has become so repetitive it adds nothing to his character development.
Good point. But that wouldn’t preclude the show from actually giving Hook some space to develop as a character, rather than shoehorn him into the heartthrob role. For what it’s worth I thought Hook was an entertaining villain, precisely because he was such a scumbag. But then, it’s like POOF, behold, Fabio.
True but A and E don’t want to develop as a character–at least not in any recognizable way. They just want him to be their dashing rogue ex-bad boy but without showing us how he got there. We’re just expected to believe it. Now the question is: did ABC push them to get him to Fabio (lol) there faster or do A and E just really have no idea how to get him there so they magicked it.
But this is what I thought was done so brilliantly. Yes, I totally shipped them at the time, but now, older and wiser, I … well, it’s hard not to root for them in some way anyway.
Oh absolutely. I still ship them. I reblog them tumblr and still think Buffy would ultimately be with him. I just now recognize that it was a darker relationship.
By contrast, when it comes to Hook, and CS more broadly, there’s this weird flatness to it. Maybe because Hook’s primary relationship outside of Emma appears to be with Rumple, which at this point has become so repetitive it adds nothing to his character development.
to quote Regina, he’s the pirate mascot. he adds nothing to group scenes but must be there for…reasons
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"By contrast, when it comes to Hook, and CS more broadly, there’s this weird flatness to it. Maybe because Hook’s primary relationship outside of Emma appears to be with Rumple, which at this point has become so repetitive it adds nothing to his character development.
to quote Regina, he’s the pirate mascot. he adds nothing to group scenes but must be there for…reasons
I’m willing to bet Rumple and Regina are honestly in their heads like “What are you still doing here Hook?” whenever he just pops up.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I’m willing to bet Rumple and Regina are honestly in their heads like “What are you still doing here Hook?” whenever he just pops up.
You mean…:
Ok, Sheldon. Where was this 4 years ago when I fell down an OUAT shaped rabbit hole?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Honestly, I feel Hook shouldn’t have lived past Neverland. He just serves no purpose. Neverland is his story.
Honestly, I feel Hook shouldn’t have lived past Neverland. He just serves no purpose. Neverland is his story.
Here’s the weird thing about Hook. If they wanted to extend his shelf life and give him a story beyond Neverland, why not do the typical OUAT 2-in-1 and reveal that he’s also another fairy tale character?
I vote for Puss in Boots. He already has the getup.
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