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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • November 5, 2015 at 2:38 am #311809
    nevermore
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    Well, this is embarrassing. Now, I’ve not done this little exercise before, but it’s been one of those weeks at work, and I have the cold from Hades, and I just thought — oh look, Netflix has OUAT Season 1, why don’t I re-watch the episodes I remember enjoying. And so,  here I am, about 1/2 in through Skin Deep.  Yeah.  OK,  that’s like clinically diagnosable masochism, right? But aside from that,  qu’est ce que what happened to our show???  It used to be amazing!

    Ugh. I shouldn’t have done that. It’s so much easier to do cynical critical analysis snark. :-/

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    November 5, 2015 at 7:20 am #311814
    RumplesGirl
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    Well, this is embarrassing. Now, I’ve not done this little exercise before, but it’s been one of those weeks at work, and I have the cold from Hades, and I just thought — oh look, Netflix has OUAT Season 1, why don’t I re-watch the episodes I remember enjoying. And so, here I am, about 1/2 in through Skin Deep. Yeah. OK, that’s like clinically diagnosable masochism, right? But aside from that, qu’est ce que what happened to our show??? It used to be amazing! Ugh. I shouldn’t have done that. It’s so much easier to do cynical critical analysis snark. :-/

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    Oh gosh, step away. There are many other beautiful things on Netflix that won’t hurt you. I’d go with a nice punch in the face over OUAT so go watch some Daredevil, some Flash, some Arrow, some SPN, some TWD (because even flesh eating zombies are preferable), or some Sense8.

    If you need a comedy to cheer you up afterwards, Kimmy Schmidt might be the best one ever

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    November 5, 2015 at 3:08 pm #311835
    Ranisha Pitts
    Participant

    Kimmy Schmidt all the way. 😀

    "I will be kind but I will speak my mind."

    November 5, 2015 at 8:05 pm #311853
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    I said everything I needed to say about the sneak peek for 507 privately but those who know me well can guess what I had to say.

     

    In other news. …I have ice cream.

    Also, I bought this today. I have named her Sparkle McHoot

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    November 6, 2015 at 1:15 am #311870
    nevermore
    Participant

    I said everything I needed to say about the sneak peek for 507 privately but those who know me well can guess what I had to say.

    You know, I’m just going to hope that we’re not going to get a back story / significant plot detour for every piece of jewelry that Hook wears, because OUAT would have to do a spin off show.

    So. Many. Baubles. O.o

    November 6, 2015 at 3:15 pm #311885
    Ranisha Pitts
    Participant

     

    Light a flame for Nealfire…If Only

    Neal Cassidy is better than you!

    because this song played next and it ended with you give me fire so I said why not.

    "I will be kind but I will speak my mind."

    November 7, 2015 at 12:56 am #311910
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    *Looks at spoilers* *Then looks at THIS *

    I just …. don’t get it.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    November 7, 2015 at 8:43 am #311915
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    *Looks at spoilers* *Then looks at THIS * I just …. don’t get it.

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    *gives Slurpeez a cookie*

    Honey, none of us do. But that’s the white heterosexual privileged male gaze for you. They honestly think the way they write Hook is acceptable because it’s been “acceptable” in TV for years and years and years. Hook is their fantasy insert character for themselves–they get to pretend to be Han Solo meets Errol Flynn and women always fall for the charms of those types of Hollywood rogues. What they don’t get is that outside of TV landscape where we continue to let these characters have free reign (thank god for on social media where we tear them down for the terrible constructs they are) women would run from a man like Hook for being a stalker and exhibiting obsessive tendencies, sociopathic tendencies, and generally being a good for nothing *at this point RG goes on a tangent with many swear words*.

    But on TV? Nah, man. Totes sexy!

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    November 7, 2015 at 10:47 am #311919
    nevermore
    Participant

    *Looks at spoilers* *Then looks at THIS *

    Dude! Wow. Just wow. I had completely forgotten the level of slimebag there.

    Honey, none of us do. But that’s the white heterosexual privileged male gaze for you. They honestly think the way they write Hook is acceptable because it’s been “acceptable” in TV for years and years and years.

     

    Two things really annoy me about all this, apart from the obvious. First, the degree to which the writers seem to have forgotten their original point of departure, and appear to think that the audience is a bunch of brainless zombies, drooling mindlessly in front of their televisions. It’s obvious from that gif set that they started with Hook being a very clear, and rather appalling antagonist.

    Now, the standard move for the romance trope would have been to then reveal that his philandering ways are just a brittle outer shell, and mostly bluster, hiding a soft gooey center of insecurities and (<del>mommy issues),</del> excuse me, desire to be loved. But they didn’t really do that with Hook. He ISN’T a vulnerable, insecure, self-doubting sort of guy. What you see is actually exactly what you get. He’s just that bad. And he’s also not the other trope — the Casanova carpe diem type who is eventually tamed by the heroine. I’m sorry to say, he’s just not that charming. And yet, we are supposed to extend him the same credit as if he were either profoundly broken (and hence sympathetic) or the ‘seize the day’ type (and hence enjoyable in a wish fulfillment kind of way), just because the particular skirt he’s chasing at the moment is Emma’s. Cue RG’s point about the privileged heterosexual white male gaze.

    The other thing that just annoys me to no end, and I’ve said this before, is the way in which the fandom sometimes responds to this show, and how other relationships (both romantic and not) get torn to shreds on the basis of some kind of moral high ground. The most obvious example is how RumBelle always seems to get paraded as the paragon of the abusive relationship. Don’t get me wrong, it’s totally problematic, but at least it follows the classic romance trope (in many ways, it’s almost straight up Jayne Eyre). One might not like its gender roles, but it’s very clearly meant to have these troubling, psychologically complicated elements. And the same, of course, with SF. But with CS we have the writing, which is constantly hinting at how screwed up the relationship is, and PLOT which keeps shoving it down our throats, awful writing and all, like it’s the most natural thing ever.

    O.o

    Ugh. Bah. Too early for a Saturday morning rant, but I couldn’t help myself. [climbs off the soapbox]

    November 7, 2015 at 7:18 pm #311924
    WickedRegal
    Participant

    *Looks at spoilers* *Then looks at THIS * I just …. don’t get it.

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    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

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