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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • September 6, 2013 at 11:23 am #208387
    Phee
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    This actually brought a little tear to my eye. Having either/both end up fostering children is quite fantastic. So far we’ve seen the foster system as this evil entity. It would be nice to see the positive side. Based on their background I think they’d be wonderful foster parents.

    They’d be the most wonderful parents because they know what it’s like to grow up feeling totally alone. Emma’s first family sent her back to foster care and rejected her and she had who knows how many other horrible experiences, being tossed around between homes. She’d make sure any foster child of hers always felt safe and secure and wanted. Neal’s family abandoned him and he had to go it alone. Any foster child of his would know without question they could depend on him to be there always, and would give them anything they needed.

    It’s not surprising that Emma isn’t sitting around bemoaning the tragic fate of Neal’s untimely demise and Henrys’ kidnapping. Although Emma is heart-broken, she doesn’t have the luxury of time or the experience to know how to deal with these vulnerable emotions. She has always kept her head down so as not to get hurt. Emma is a survivor. The few times we’ve seen Emma let her walls down are with her parents, like just after Neal went through the portal and David comforted his daughter. Yet, now that Henry is missing, Emma once again has to close off those emotions and bring her son home so that Neal’s sacrifice won’t have been in vain. Emma can’t let Henry grow up without his parents, just as Neal said before he let go. Emma has a job to do and she’s a woman on a mission.

    THIS! Especially like how you said that she’s gotta lock out her vulnerabilities so that Neal’s death won’t have been in vain. If she doesn’t get this job done, then she loses her son, and as a bonus, Neal’s life was a waste. She can’t let that fate befall either of her boys! She’s gotta go into machine mode for both of their sakes!

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    September 6, 2013 at 11:27 am #208389
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    I completely agree, Slurpeez! Some people read Emma’s “machine mode” as only caring about how Neal’s “death” affected Henry and that as far as her relationship with Neal went, she wasn’t overly devastated. But watching that scene from 221 again, you can tell that the thought of losing Neal is horrifying to her, for HER self. When the last time Emma ever said she needed someone. To me that is more significant that the I love you.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    September 6, 2013 at 11:37 am #208392
    Phee
    Participant

    If there’s one thing Emma typically isn’t, it’s needy. She’s used to taking care of herself, not relying on anyone else. Even if she does need someone, she’s not gonna let it show. But in that moment over the portal, that wall of hers came crashing down and she admitted that she needed him. The only person she’d ever truly relied on in her life, and despite what happened, she knows she can rely on him again like she couldn’t with anyone else. He knows her like no one else. He loved her like no one else ever has. And she needed him again so they could keep fighting against the world together, like they did back in the day.

    Man, I need to not think about SF after I’ve had a couple glasses of wine. Any moment now I’m gonna do my impression of Emma’s ugly portal cry.

    September 6, 2013 at 12:58 pm #208402
    kfchimera
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    @Phee lol,the feels can take over.

    I don’t know why, but I feel like going back is not really a good solution. I guess it is because I feel there are hints that FTL represents a lot of old fashioned concepts that prevent true happiness for everyone. Some get to live in castles and have true love, pretty gowns, shiny armor and complete confidence in a happy ending. Then others are scraping by in huts, or slaves to the Blue Fairy’s endless dust mining. (Screwball Ninja’s essay on that won’t leave my mind). Even if Sneaky Fairy isn’t Sneaky, it feels like to me, why would anyone choose to go back to feudal inequalities when you’ve experienced (well almost experienced) a society with a more equal distribution of winners and losers?

    I think the “modern mindset” that Emma has is also part of her, and I feel it is something she shares with Neal. They’re both a blend of each world with authentic experiences, not curse-given artificial ones. Emma hasn’t really experienced FTL in its glory, that’s true, but as I pointed out it wasn’t glorious for everyone.

    To me, the idea that a family, home and a job you enjoy, these real world, obtainable things ARE a Happy Ending, is to me the most hopeful message the show could give. So that’s part of the reason I like the idea of Neal and Emma together in SB, halfway between the world of magic, and the real world. I think that feels right to me then them cutting all the fantasy out or all the reality.

    People can obviously fall in love with people from different cultures, and that can be part of the attraction (like the Before Sunrise with Julie Deply and Ethan Hawke). Still there’s also something about understanding the same things, like the pleasures of jelly donuts, gummy bears and driving around in a cute yellow bug. Differences and similarities can both be written as the basis for a romance. I think Neal and Emma are a good mix of that, as well as a mix of a fantasy and realistic, couple together.

    “If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

    September 6, 2013 at 1:51 pm #208423
    Phee
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    I don’t necessarily envision a future FTL being the same as the old FTL though. They’ve basically gotta rebuild the whole place anyway, and this time they have all the real world knowledge they got from the Curse. Different building techniques. Electrical knowledge. They could have cars (powered by fairy dust?) instead of carriages. They could build a whole new FTL using real world stuff.

    I just dunno that SB will ever be able to truly integrate into our world. It’s never existed, no one in it has ever really existed as far as our world is concerned. And with the Curse broken, can the town continue on indefinitely sustaining itself like it did for 28 years previously? If that cloaking spell gets busted, and the real world discovers them, how would that all go down? And how large is THO? If a few get in, and they get taken care of, will there always be the threat of more and more coming, intent on either exposing or destroying them? Ultimately, I think they’d all be safer back in FTL.

    September 6, 2013 at 1:58 pm #208424
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    I wonder if Snow and Charming return to rule the EF whether they’d be absolutist monarchs or constitutional monarchs. Also, I’d imagine women would be given equal opportunities and rights like men and that serfdom would be done away with once and for all. Certainly, as a crown princess, Emma who grew up in our world, would want to make sure all of the freedoms she’s enjoyed as a strong, independent woman would be available to all women in the EF. Also, after tasting the luxuries that SB has to offer, I bet the town citizens would want all the benefits that a democratic, stable government offers such as representative body that looks out for citizens’ rights, a strong middle class and promotes modern medicine and technology. One you’ve tasted those things it’d be next to impossible to reject those benefits or to want to return to the old ways.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    September 7, 2013 at 12:49 am #208511
    kfchimera
    Participant

    So I have a theory on the synopsis not mentioning Phillip and Aurora. It is too ship biased so I brought it here. I think it is like at comic con where despite many fan questions and limited time, the moderator took the time to ask about Mulan and Neal having a romance.

    These blurbs for the episodes are done by the same promotion team that is doing everything else, and part of that of course, is all the suggestions that Hook and Emma spend time together. The flip side of the hints is to say Neal and Mulan will also be spending time. Yet we already know from CC, that it isn’t romantic for Neal and Mulan.

    It’s all this twisty marketing they do. So a lot of people will be going into this thinking Neal= Shang and he’ll end up with Mulan, and then the plot will actually unfold and it will be like she’s helping him the same way she helped Belle once. She’ll remind him that he has to fight for love, or something like that. I’m not sure where Phil and Aurora are, but it doesn’t matter, because Mulan’s help is symbolic here, of Neal getting his fighting spirit back.

    Anyway its a bit muddled up and shippy, so I thought I’d toss it up here for discussion.

    “If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

    September 7, 2013 at 1:15 am #208512
    Phee
    Participant

    It’s a good point, about the media telling us what they want us to know to try and make us think what they want us to think. For all we know, Philip and Aurora are actually with them, but they only have 2 horses, so Neal has to ride shotgun with Mulan. I can see any of MAP giving Neal a pep-talk (if he even needs one) about getting up and finding a way back to Emma and Henry. Mulan’s all about not giving up in general, but Philip and Aurora are an example of a couple who fought to be reunited against the odds TWICE in very recent history.

    In other news, here’s a tumblr post everyone should read…
    http://lilredsoupbowl.tumblr.com/post/60457025093/why-i-do-believe-swanfire-will-end-up-being-true-love

    September 7, 2013 at 8:25 am #208538
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    *applauds Tumblr post*

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    September 7, 2013 at 8:32 am #208539
    PriceofMagic
    Participant

    So I have a theory on the synopsis not mentioning Phillip and Aurora. It is too ship biased so I brought it here. I think it is like at comic con where despite many fan questions and limited time, the moderator took the time to ask about Mulan and Neal having a romance. These blurbs for the episodes are done by the same promotion team that is doing everything else, and part of that of course, is all the suggestions that Hook and Emma spend time together. The flip side of the hints is to say Neal and Mulan will also be spending time. Yet we already know from CC, that it isn’t romantic for Neal and Mulan. It’s all this twisty marketing they do. So a lot of people will be going into this thinking Neal= Shang and he’ll end up with Mulan, and then the plot will actually unfold and it will be like she’s helping him the same way she helped Belle once. She’ll remind him that he has to fight for love, or something like that. I’m not sure where Phil and Aurora are, but it doesn’t matter, because Mulan’s help is symbolic here, of Neal getting his fighting spirit back. Anyway its a bit muddled up and shippy, so I thought I’d toss it up here for discussion.

    http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/60375809934/mulan-and-aurora-girls-worth-fighting-for-and

    Screwball Ninja suggests that Mulan may actually be gay and it’s plausible, meaning no WarriorFire.

     

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