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heatherc1275 wrote: I actually stopped reading comments for most of the OUAT online reviews because the people were annoying but I saw a few last night that expressed sadness for Emma & Neal not getting their chance to talk so maybe the tide is changing and the Neal hate is going to die down. I can hope, right?!
Yes, SwanFire is all about HOPE! Hope for home, family, and true love to be a reality in Emma and Neal’s lives! SF is bigger than just romantic love, since it’s about them finding the home they were always seeking in one another. Two lost children finding their way to their parents, to their son and to each other.
Agreed!!!
And I agree with KFC. I think it’s RIP to CaptainFairy as well. I was really on board with it and thought it was a great idea and after this episode I’m turned off every possible Hook ship.
Also, my laptop just went into the store for repiars so I’m going to be MIA for a few days except to peak in every now and then 🙁
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think that is fitting really with the strong female character who is not the damsel or prize to be won–she should fight for her man just as much as he is willing to fight for her. If the audience is to buy the love story, then it has to bewant Emma wants. It cannot be Hook or Neal “winning” her heart–it has to be Emma discovering what she wants and going for it, taking the chance for happiness.I really do not feel her scenes with Hook have been about Emma taking that chance for happiness but rather, returning to her roots of one night unhealthy relationships not based on mutual trust but just physical attraction. Hook may want more, may think he does anyway with his long haul statements, but he is not emotionally mature enough to offer that to Emma.
This sums it all up perfectly, in the end it has to be down to Emma. Which is why I struggle so much with CS and Hook. Hook usually comes off as completely self-centered and overpowering. It’s a very ME ME ME attitude Hook has, which really overpowers Emma in the Hook/Emma dynamic. I will win you, going to look to Tink for comfort because I’m ‘hurt’ or as you mentioned backing off because obviously Neal would have no chance if I was in the equation. So all that leads me to wondering where does Emma factor into all this. Neal, I think, is striking a pretty decent balance of not pushing Emma but showing he’s there and making the effort of keeping the lines of communication open because regardless of romance or not, it’s important for them to be able to get along for Henry’s sake. Hook would be a massive step back for Emma but one that it might end up being significant for her to take, in order to eventually move forward herself (and eventually with Neal).
Agreed!!! And I agree with KFC. I think it’s RIP to CaptainFairy as well. I was really on board with it and thought it was a great idea and after this episode I’m turned off every possible Hook ship.
Yes the idea of CaptainFairy had potential. History between them to draw from that could have lead to an interesting present day connection but alas I don’t think I’d wish this version of Hook on any woman.
I wanted to post Schmacky’s post here from Tumblr because everything said in it is so true. And if you haven’t read it, you should. So here it is.
They can play up this love triangle all they want. They can tease the audience that Emma might have something with Hook but it’s being written that Neal is the one for her. And we’re on Emma’s journey to allow love back into her life.
I was thinking about the flashbacks of this episode and what it had to do with the current storyline besides the “moments” speech.
The flashback was about Snow and David going on their honeymoon and how Snow couldn’t enjoy herself, couldn’t allow herself to appreciate the good things she has in her life because she was terrified of losing it. By the end of the story she realizes that they have to find the good moments in between the bad ones. Bad things will happen but that it shouldn’t rule their lives
“I was so focused on finding a way to beat Regina that I almost lost the thing I could never live without. You.”
Snow spent the flashback episode fearing for what might happen. And Emma Swan spent the episode doing the exact same thing
“Every time I think I’m going to sit back and enjoy myself I can’t. Because it’s never gonna stop.”
Emma didn’t meet up with Neal initially for lunch not just because she’s scared to try again with him and trust him (I think she really is beginning to trust him again btw) but because she’s scared he’s going to be ripped from her again. And she doesn’t know if she could go through losing him for a third time. But, she was going to meet him. She was going to have that talk with him. She was going to try and find those good moments. Good moments with Neal. But instead, a bad thing came too soon
Emma is going through something Snow already has. Their stories were clearly paralleled. Their issues of fear lording over them (Regina’s threat for Snow, Emma’s feeling that something is off), the men in their life trying to get them to relax (David’s insistence on the honeymoon, Neal asking Emma to meet him for lunch), them wanting to find the good moments in between the bad (Snow’s desire to start a family, Emma on her way to meet with Neal). And while Snow’s story is all cleaned up, Emma’s life isn’t like her mother’s. She isn’t in a fairytale. Her story isn’t being retold, it’s being written right now. And journeys take time.
“I used to think the same way.”
“It’s different. My magic has a price. The price of being the savior is… I don’t get a day off.”
Emma hit another speed bump in her journey for happily ever after. I think after her talk with her father she was willing to find those good moments in between the bad but soon as something bad did happen she made herself believe that her life will never get a happy ever after because she’s the savior. She transferred her fear of terrible things continuously happening to her savior status.
So until she realizes that the Savior can indeed get a day off (heh), she’s going to be stuck in this position of not wanting to pursue her own happily ever after. And that means not pursuing her romantic relationship with Neal.
But it is her journey and she will eventually get over all her hurdles and find her happily ever after. But, be warned my friends, it will continue to be a bumpy road. But, let’s enjoy it nonetheless, OK?
http://schmacky.tumblr.com/post/69501773371/they-can-play-up-this-love-triangle-all-they-want
"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."heatherc1275 wrote: I actually stopped reading comments for most of the OUAT online reviews because the people were annoying but I saw a few last night that expressed sadness for Emma & Neal not getting their chance to talk so maybe the tide is changing and the Neal hate is going to die down. I can hope, right?!
Yes, SwanFire is all about HOPE! Hope for home, family, and true love to be a reality in Emma and Neal’s lives! SF is bigger than just romantic love, since it’s about them finding the home they were always seeking in one another. Two lost children finding their way to their parents, to their son and to each other.
Agreed!!! And I agree with KFC. I think it’s RIP to CaptainFairy as well. I was really on board with it and thought it was a great idea and after this episode I’m turned off every possible Hook ship. Also, my laptop just went into the store for repiars so I’m going to be MIA for a few days except to peak in every now and then
This worries me because there is really no one I could see paired with Hook now. Ariel has Eric, Regina will have Robin. What he did to Tink was vile so that basically rules out any possible future relationship for me, but sadly I think they could still pair Neal with Tink if they wanted to.
Rewatching the scene where Emma said that her magic comes with a price and that she doesn’t have the luxury of having moments. Neal having to give her up was the price. I really hope she has come to the realization that it wasn’t a simple case of Neal abandoning her; that there was greater forces of fate and destiny at play.
Here is a fan-manip image of what could’ve and should’ve been if only PP hadn’t gotten in the way. It’s so painful, because we all know Emma was headed to see Neal, but got diverted by the Blue Fairy’s untimely demise.
This worries me because there is really no one I could see paired with Hook now. Ariel has Eric, Regina will have Robin. What he did to Tink was vile so that basically rules out any possible future relationship for me, but sadly I think they could still pair Neal with Tink if they wanted to.
Who says Hook has to end up with anybody? As much as I was really beginning to like the idea Tinkerbell and Hook finding a love connection, because it’s pretty clear in my mind they share a romantic past, I now wonder if Hook even deserves the love of a good woman. Tink said it would be beneath her dignity to go slumming with Hook, and I believe it’s also beneath Emma’s dignity to lower her standards for a cad like Hook. Any hope I had for Hook finding his redemption at the start of S3 has been put on the back burner until further notice. As far as Hook is concerned, I’m now resigned to see him revert to his pirating ways until some future date when he finally realizes how other people really see him: not as a man of honor but as a bit of a scoundrel. And it’s not like it’s an unfair judgement, since Hook pretty much plays the part of a playboy pirate. He’s used to charming the ladies, but this time it hasn’t worked with Tink. If Emma falls for this, then I’m thinking she must either be cursed, blinded by his overtures of trying to impress her, her own fear of doing the hard thing of choosing Neal, or some combination of all those options.
Yes the idea of CaptainFairy had potential. History between them to draw from that could have lead to an interesting present day connection but alas I don’t think I’d wish this version of Hook on any woman.
Yeah, sadly I have to agree. I don’t think Hook is emotionally mature enough for any woman, let alone as one as deserving as Tinkerbell or Emma. Hook needs to have some real and lasting character development, just as Regina has been experiencing in S3. Yet, I no longer would wish Hook for Regina either, because at this point in time, Regina has surpassed Hook on her road to redemption. Plus, we know that Regina in on the up and up to greater things with Robin Hood. I think what Hook needs some a positive, male influence with someone like Charming and Neal, which is why it’s so sad that Emma has had to come between them. What Hook needs is to hang with the bros and learn how to treat a woman with class, dignity, respect, and honor, not for personal gain, but because it’s the right thing to do.
Rewatching the scene where Emma said that her magic comes with a price and that she doesn’t have the luxury of having moments. Neal having to give her up was the price. I really hope she has come to the realization that it wasn’t a simple case of Neal abandoning her; that there was greater forces of fate and destiny at play.
I think that the question of why Neal left her in prison will be re-examined. In the TV Guide Lightning Round 10, A&E confirmed that this issue will be dealt with again. So, it’s a chance for Emma to understand that forces beyond either of their control were at work here. It might also give Emma a renewed sense of sympathy for how difficult a situation it was for Neal and how much he didn’t want to let her go but felt he had to let her fulfill her destiny to save her family from a horrible curse his dad had created to locate him. We’re also supposed to see August again, which means we’ll probably get the full story this time of who called the cops and what else August told Neal. Adam said via twitter that ‘bad things’ would’ve happened had Neal not left Emma, so we’ll almost certainly see what stories will be told.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
TV Line is doing their 2014 Wish List request right now (link to send something to them and hey, sending them a note wishing for more SwanFire might get one of us posted in their article when they write it: http://tvline.com/2013/12/09/tv-wish-list-2014-casting-pilots-renewals/) and I literally just sent them my email. For OUAT, I hoped that Neal & Emma would finally get some time alone to talk without all the distractions around them and that they need to explain more about their past because “too much is still left unsaid and it’s bothering a lot of people (not just me)”. I was actually quoted in their Thanksgiving fan round up of things we’re thankful for this year so maybe I’ll get picked again for my quirky OUAT SwanFire comment! 😉
I’ll say this here because it’s safer than saying it anywhere else, but unless they do some serious redemption to Hook’s character (and do it very soon), I don’t think he’s going to last beyond S3 because he literally has no purpose on the show right now other than to be one part of the Triangle of Doom and I fear for Adam & Eddy’s lives if something bad ends up happening to him later this season. They could literally take him off the show right now though and the show would still keep going just fine because he’s become that insignificant to the overall story. I would hate for the Hook fans to have to deal with something like that but seriously, what else does he have to do now but pursue Emma?
#MoreBOOMLessGloomI’ll say this here because it’s safer than saying it anywhere else, but unless they do some serious redemption to Hook’s character (and do it very soon), I don’t think he’s going to last beyond S3 because he literally has no purpose on the show right now other than to be one part of the Triangle of Doom and I fear for Adam & Eddy’s lives if something bad ends up happening to him later this season. They could literally take him off the show right now though and the show would still keep going just fine because he’s become that insignificant to the overall story. I would hate for the Hook fans to have to deal with something like that but seriously, what else does he have to do now but pursue Emma?
I’ve actually think about Hook’s purpose on this show a lot lately too. I was so excited when I heard about Colin being cast and Hook coming on to the show. And I think he worked well last season, for what he was a villain. But this grey area he’s in at the moment is really doing him no favours. In trying to push the CS side of the triangle, Hook as a character himself is totally getting lost. Not only that but they’re passing up opportunity to flesh out relationships he could have like with Neal and Tink. Neal and Emma both have plenty of storyline potential outside of their romantic relationship but at the moment CS is the only thing making Hook relevant, when is the last time Hook had a conversation or interaction not related to Emma and I mean that seriously.
Heather, that brings to mind an old episode of Friends where they’re discussing one of them leaving the group and that the most likely one would have been Phoebe. The argument was she wasn’t related to anyone and lived apart from the rest of the group…she just lifted right out. That reminds me of Hook. Seriously, he could be gone tomorrow and other than the “Triangle of Doom”, like you said, we’d never notice he was gone. Neal is connected to Henry and Rumple, Emma is the savior, Snowing and Rumbelle certainly aren’t going anywhere and Regina is destined for her future love affair with Robin Hood. That leaves Hook either alone or standing with Tink. I just don’t know plot-wise how he’d fit in.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
To all my SF fans
A Very Merry UnBrithday gift to you
This made me smile hope it makes you smile too
http://nessadreams2013.tumblr.com/post/69513874430/likewhereneverland-kirlett-swanfire-why
The writing on CaptainFire has been beyond horrible. It does not help either that there are so many unknowns there–does Neal want to be friends with Hook, the thing with Emma aside? Did Hook ever try to save him from Pan? Does Neal feel Hook was genuine before about being sentimental and it is just this unfortunate coincidence that Hook fell in love with the woman Neal loves?
Yes, Neal left Emma 10 years before, got engaged to another, and was thought dead for all of an hour before Hook decided to put the full court press on Emma. The thing for me though is Hook did not put Emma before revenge until he learned Bae was dead. Even then, he had to think about it long enough that his return almost was pointless. Did Hook even have any qualms about going for Milah’s grandson’s mother? It is not biologically incest of course but it is a bit of a crossed line, especially once Hook knows Nealfire is alive and wants to reunite with Emma. If Hook cares nothing for Bae, if their friendship that he claimed is so meaningless, then sure talk about neither “owing” each other. Hook was the one who tried to say it though (mainly to get headway with Emma it seems now, rather than genuine concern for Neal).
The way their scene went down, it felt more like Hook manipulating Neal than not. We see Hook staring at Emma, she turns and does not even notice him. It is not that she is avoiding him–they show her eye movements as sort of sweeping past in a general way. Then Hook turns around for more drinks. Then Neal swoops in with almost genuine friendless towards Hook–are they all just so elated to be home and safe? DId they have a conversation on the boat, that was a deleted scene with the robe?
I don’t know as it all does not add up because on the one hand, we have Colin in interviews saying Hook is genuine and then on screen we see a lot of passive agressive behavior, snarky and sassy comments, and things that in context might be attempts to undermine Neal’s self-confidence. Those who love Hook, and want to defend him at all costs will say no, from Hook’s POV he is just trying to make the best of a bad situation, caught between wanting to be fair to Neal but really irretrievably heartbroken and in love with Emma. It just doesn’t come off that way to me, because we have had so few CaptainFire moments that were NOT about Emma.
If I’m to buy this concern for Neal, then I need to see Hook genuinely trying to connect with Neal about something other than Emma and how Neal reacts to Emma. When they talk about anything else, what we have is action sequences of them going to get the coconut and it happens off-screen. So it makes me feel like the concern isn’t genuine, that there is no internal conflict in Hook but it is really just his inner wheels turning on how to get an advantage with Emma one way or the other.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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