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Ok, a slightly off-topic theory about Rumple/Neal/Underworld. Sorry if someone already posted something to this effect:
Ok, we know that Rumple’s now DO on steroids, which has been explained as him having the power of all the DOs combined. But does that also mean he’s hosting all their souls (the same way that Hook was hosting Nimue)? If so, then would these souls be “tradable,” from Hades’s perspective? Technically, depending on how Hades’s accounting works, he’s N=[however many DOs there were] souls short, now that all those DOs are “archived” with Rumple. Unless the souls got distilled into pure power, but I don’t think there was anything in the script that suggested this. If leaving the Underworld is all about a soul for a soul, I wonder if this might be one way in which our “heroes” bust people out — instead of sacrificing one of the group, they might have Rumple give up some of the souls/powers (but not necessarily all) — whether for Neal, or for several people (Hook? Cora?). This would allow the writers to keep Rumple a magic user, while returning him to a moral gray area, rather than all black — which is sort of where they seem to like him. Or they also might make a deal with Hades to kill (or try to kill) Rumple to release the errant souls back into the Underworld, thus brokering some sort of arrangement for whoever is coming back. Thoughts?
[adrotate group="5"]Ok, a slightly off-topic theory about Rumple/Neal/Underworld. Sorry if someone already posted something to this effect: Ok, we know that Rumple’s now DO on steroids, which has been explained as him having the power of all the DOs combined. But does that also mean he’s hosting all their souls (the same way that Hook was hosting Nimue)? If so, then would these souls be “tradable,” from Hades’s perspective? Technically, depending on how Hades’s accounting works, he’s N=[however many DOs there were] souls short, now that all those DOs are “archived” with Rumple. Unless the souls got distilled into pure power, but I don’t think there was anything in the script that suggested this. If leaving the Underworld is all about a soul for a soul, I wonder if this might be one way in which our “heroes” bust people out — instead of sacrificing one of the group, they might have Rumple give up some of the souls/powers (but not necessarily all) — whether for Neal, or for several people (Hook? Cora?). This would allow the writers to keep Rumple a magic user, while returning him to a moral gray area, rather than all black — which is sort of where they seem to like him. Or they also might make a deal with Hades to kill (or try to kill) Rumple to release the errant souls back into the Underworld, thus brokering some sort of arrangement for whoever is coming back. Thoughts?
I actually think that this makes a lot of sense. there was a recent spoiler about the fact that the heroes may learn that the souls don’t have to stay in the Underworld. At the time, I obviously leaned towards Emma since her Savior Status would suggest that she’s the one to break souls outta “jail.” Her very own harrowing of the Underworld, as it were. I don’t know if it would be Rumple willingly giving up some of those collective souls–especially for Hook–but I could see Emma making the hard choice and forcing Rumple to do such a thing, both claiming that she’s protecting the town (by reducing Rumple’s collective-soul power) and that the souls she saving do not deserve to be in the Underworld in the first place
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I liked this:“While I’m pleased that Snow and Charming might actually get some real screen time beyond standing around looking dumbfounded by their daughter’s complete 180 in behavior and attitude, the big takeaway from that statement is that “some of these people can be saved and brought out”… of hell. Sure, Dallas could be misleading us as people on this show are wont to do, but given the other improbable and ridiculous things that have happened over the past 12 episodes or so, I wouldn’t put it past Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis. Which begs the question: Why bother to create any rules if you’re just going to break them when it’s convenient? “
I am not at all convinced that Snow and Charming will have real screentime. The actors always think their character is doing something interesting and getting screentime when they just aren’t.
I keep thinking that Hades has somehow trapped people in this fake Underworld and they will be “saved” from it, but not necessarily alive. Maybe saved to move on for real to the real afterlife. Except for Hook, he will survive somehow just because they want him to.
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It’s a nice demonstration that often times the fights don’t just come from the narrative but the way the social media accounts handle the audience–both the general and the fandom.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"We already know Michael Raymond-James has been hanging out on set and likely filming scenes for the second half of the season, so it’s likely the Storybrooke gang will encounter Neal in the Underworld. Don’t you think Rumple will do everything in his power (which, given that he’s the Dark One again, is quite extensive) to bring his son back? Certainly Neal is the most deserving at another chance at life in this world, given that he was robbed of real character development, much to the audience’s chagrin. I don’t know about you, but I’d take Neal back over Captain Guyliner any day. Maybe then, things could start getting back to normal around Storybrooke — but I won’t hold my breath.
THIS"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I’d be annoyed if Emma and co started dictating what Rumple should and shouldn’t do in the Underworld. They already demonstrated in 5A that they would be willing to throw Rumple under a bus so long as they benefitted from it, it was only Belle who called them out on it.
The “heroes” annoy me so much because we’re meant to believe that they’re a force for good but they are so self-centred, they don’t give a damn about anyone else so long as they’re okay. If there came a choice between saving one of their own and dooming the town, they would doom the town because they don’t care about anyone outside their inner circle. This has been going on since the end of season 2 when the “heroes” were ready to bean hop out of a disintegrating Storybrooke yet were happy to leave behind RumBelle, Hansel and Gretel, Jefferson and Grace, Pinnochio and Gepetto, etc. Emma and co were willing to leave CHILDREN to die rather than try and save as many people as they could because all they cared about was saving their own skins.
All magic comes with a price!
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This reminds me of another TV show callwd Charmed. Charmed amd OUAT have a lot of similarities.
"All your questions are pointless"
This is a post that i saw on a girl called KiKi on tumblr, she says some good things, was answer to some other post on tumblr, here , is about how media and some actors from outside the ouat cast, actually support the bullies by encouraging them, this was about a TV line article where someone was talking bad of Rumple and matt agreed with that person and even answered someone to not make any more Rumbelle questions.
This is, sadly, a pretty explicit example of exactly why the fandom is the way it is and why the CSers/Hook stans have become such a huge problem.
The people with influence let them. Beyond that, they even encourage them. It starts with Kitsowitz, in particular AH, who only gives consistent attention to one group while ignoring most others, and who responds to criticism with childishness. His favoritism toward CSers and his silence toward their behavior enables and encourages them.
And that bleeds over into the people like Mitovich and Yvette Nicole Brown. People who technically aren’t involved with the production of the show, but are involved in it in a peripheral way, and whose position or “fame” gives them influence. In reality, they’re little more than fans themselves, but their position elevates them. So like the rest of the CSers/Hook stans, they take their cues from Kitsowitz. (Though considering the behavior some of these people, like YNB, display in other fandoms where the writers aren’t quite so encouraging to bullies, she’d behave the same way regardless). Dismiss those who criticize. Dismiss those who have problems with canon. Blatantly insult those who don’t agree with you.
The CSers/Hook stans see that. They see the other groups and fans being dismissed by the writers. They see the other groups and fans being dismissed and bullied by these “big name” fans of influence. And they get it into their heads that it’s okay, that this is the way people should be treated. And they follow the lead. And then Kitsowitz and these fans of influence see it, and either ignore it, as Kitsowitz does, or encourage and take part, as people like YNB and Mitovitch have done.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
This is a post that i saw on a girl called KiKi on tumblr, she says some good things, was answer to some other post on tumblr, here , is about how media and some actors from outside the ouat cast, actually support the bullies by encouraging them, this was about a TV line article where someone was talking bad of Rumple and matt agreed with that person and even answered someone to not make any more Rumbelle questions.
This is, sadly, a pretty explicit example of exactly why the fandom is the way it is and why the CSers/Hook stans have become such a huge problem. The people with influence let them. Beyond that, they even encourage them. It starts with Kitsowitz, in particular AH, who only gives consistent attention to one group while ignoring most others, and who responds to criticism with childishness. His favoritism toward CSers and his silence toward their behavior enables and encourages them. And that bleeds over into the people like Mitovich and Yvette Nicole Brown. People who technically aren’t involved with the production of the show, but are involved in it in a peripheral way, and whose position or “fame” gives them influence. In reality, they’re little more than fans themselves, but their position elevates them. So like the rest of the CSers/Hook stans, they take their cues from Kitsowitz. (Though considering the behavior some of these people, like YNB, display in other fandoms where the writers aren’t quite so encouraging to bullies, she’d behave the same way regardless). Dismiss those who criticize. Dismiss those who have problems with canon. Blatantly insult those who don’t agree with you. The CSers/Hook stans see that. They see the other groups and fans being dismissed by the writers. They see the other groups and fans being dismissed and bullied by these “big name” fans of influence. And they get it into their heads that it’s okay, that this is the way people should be treated. And they follow the lead. And then Kitsowitz and these fans of influence see it, and either ignore it, as Kitsowitz does, or encourage and take part, as people like YNB and Mitovitch have done.
Mitovitch and YNB want to stay on A&E’s good side. I just hope once the show is over that some of the people involved won’t stay quiet. What bothers me the most is that by trying to hide their incompetence, they lie about what they originally planned and claim that they “planned” Hook and Emma since season 1 AFTER the fact, letting CS fans feel that they are the “true” fans that saw the “true” story being told, while there are a lot of evidences that suggest otherwise, A&E’s interviews and interviews with JMO, MRJ, Colin and Eion back when season 2 aired. In addition, do they really believe we forgot about the money he left her but she never got and that was never explained?!
Moreover, the fact that they never defended MRJ when he got all the hate and when those horrible rumors about him were made up as well as how they don’t defend Lana really disgust me. These are actors that has been working for you and they suffer because you can’t stand up against that group in the fandom and call them out on their bad behavior.
I just have no respect for these guys and anyone who enables them to continue with this.
"All your questions are pointless"
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