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*walks into forum* …….*looks around here*…..
Well…..hi everyone. Every doing well? Seems a little tense in here… I’ll uh…I’ll just leave you guys to it then…
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Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI also very much think that Rumpel is at great fault for teaching Cora and Regina how to pull hearts, knowing the sort of people they would be. Rumpel can see the future. He taught Cora to pull hearts so she would murder the king, and Regina so that she would eventually do the curse.
“At great fault” from whose perspective? For whom? The morality of this show at this point is so off its rocker that I honestly can’t tell whose perspective you are currently speaking from. Regina and Cora might say that that skill was very useful for them throughout the years. Emma might agree (Violet’s heart). Snow might too (saving Charming).
We’ve already established that DO!Rumple is a Machiavellian type character. In the initial six months (or so) post curse, he’s vengeful and sort of drunk on his power. He’s someone who has been oppressed all his life. This isn’t about “cowardice.” Sorry, none of Rumple’s character is really about “cowardice.” It’s about class and privilege. It’s about the idea that “underclass” people are inherently dangerous, and if given power, will do bad things with it (RG, feel free to chase me off my soapbox). Until he became the DO, any “uprising” from someone like Rumple would simply have landed him dead. After the initial “revolutionary” violence, Rumple settled into pragmatic Machiavellanism, i.e. the ends justify the means. That’s the kind of villain he is, and on that, the show has been actually very consistent. Teaching Cora and Regina to take hearts fulfilled specific goals.
“At great fault” from whose perspective? For whom? The morality of this show at this point is so off its rocker that I honestly can’t tell whose perspective you are currently speaking from. Regina and Cora might say that that skill was very useful for them throughout the years. Emma might agree (Violet’s heart). Snow might too (saving Charming). We’ve already established that DO!Rumple is a Machiavellian type character. In the initial six months (or so) post curse, he’s vengeful and sort of drunk on his power. He’s someone who has been oppressed all his life. This isn’t about “cowardice.” Sorry, none of Rumple’s character is really about “cowardice.” It’s about class and privilege. It’s about the idea that “underclass” people are inherently dangerous, and if given power, will do bad things with it (RG, feel free to chase me off my soapbox). Until he became the DO, any “uprising” from someone like Rumple would simply have landed him dead. After the initial “revolutionary” violence, Rumple settled into pragmatic Machiavellanism, i.e. the ends justify the means. That’s the kind of villain he is, and on that, the show has been actually very consistent. Teaching Cora and Regina to take hearts fulfilled specific goals.
At the perspective of it is not alright to teach people how to do something specifically so that they will go out and murder people.
I definitely think that Rumpel is a coward. The base level is Bae wants to go and fight to try and stop the ogres and Rumpel ran from the battle. I completely understand the circumstances as to why he made that choice, but Rumpel on the show thinks it is the wrong choice. That Rumpel let go of Bae’s hand instead of jumping through the portal and losing his power. He let Regina make him believe that Belle was working with her for just that moment and Belle was locked up for 30 years. Even in the last episode, Rumpel taking the dark one power back instead of just living with Belle as a man. He continues in these big moments to make choices out of fear. He makes choices that hurt the people he loves. I understand not liking the word coward, but i do think that Rumpel makes wrong choices in these moments.
I disagree. Before the show retconned everything regarding Rumple’s personality and tried to change his motives to be because his cowardice, Rumple’s pre 311 motives were always about his son, every choice he made was for what he thought would be the best for his son, every flashback he had in S1&2 depicted brave things he did for “cowardice” reasons.
108 – He didn’t want Bae to go to the war because he didn’t want Bae to get hurt or die. He set a fire and broke to the duke’s castle while the place was burning in order to steal the dagger for his son – that’s not cowardice, that’s bravey.
112 – he pushed Belle away, not because of Regina, that was just an excuse, he knew that if he would let Belle in, she would distract him from his mission to find his son. He didn’t push her away because some conspiracy with the queen, but because falling in love would mean a distraction for him.
118 – this is the only flashback I can say that he truly was a coward, but he had a moment of weakness.
204 – He stood up against a bully that demanded he would fight him while he physically couldn’t, and Hook knew he couldn’t and took advantage of it, but the fact that Rumple went to his ship, not knowing what they would do to him or if he could get home, again this is a moment of bravery, not cowardice.
214 – I know they want to retcon this episode and claim that Rumple hurt his leg in order to not fight, but sorry I remember this episode, he was manipulated by a seer and again his reason was his son, that he wouldn’t grow up without a father.
Again, the show don’t want us to remember any of it, which is a shame cause Rumple’s story was one of the most complex and intersting the show told, but it doesn’t go well with Rumple is a “black hat villain” and Hook is a “hero”.
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*walks into forum* …….*looks around here*….. Well…..hi everyone. Every doing well? Seems a little tense in here… I’ll uh…I’ll just leave you guys to it then…
Just do what I’m trying to do @TheWatcher….get a glass of juice and try to stay out of it.
To lighten the mood, here’s a gif of Betty White dabbing! #TheLastGoldenGirl #94GoingStrong
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They did? Seriously? I thought this was a thing that fans came up. I’m so confused. Whose wish, what was its fulfillment, and what, for the love of everything that is holy, was epic about it? Is this a direct reference to CS? Seriously, this confuses me.
Slurpeez already gave you the quote but yes they did. I think it’s because they picture Hook to be the akin of Han Solo, a character they’ve always wanted to be and have idolized for his “hearthrob/bad boy ways.” Hence…Princess Leia goes to a ball in a pretty red dress with their version of Han Solo.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"They did? Seriously? I thought this was a thing that fans came up. I’m so confused. Whose wish, what was its fulfillment, and what, for the love of everything that is holy, was epic about it? Is this a direct reference to CS? Seriously, this confuses me.
Slurpeez already gave you the quote but yes they did. I think it’s because they picture Hook to be the akin of Han Solo, a character they’ve always wanted to be and have idolized for his “hearthrob/bad boy ways.” Hence…Princess Leia goes to a ball in a pretty red dress with their version of Han Solo.
Han and Leia works so much better cause Leia called on Han’s crap, and she kissed her brother to prove a point.
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Han and Leia works so much better cause Leia called on Han’s crap, and she kissed her brother to prove a point.
And because Han was never conceived of as a villain. He was a rouge–and a charming one at that–but he not was set up to be a villain. He may have had some less than altruistic reasons for joining up with Luke but he still helped them, he still fought for them and their cause. He never beat a woman, never got a woman drunk to take her back to the Millennium Falcon for sex, he never left Leia and Luke to die. He could be cheeky and sarcastic but if those were his only crimes then I call it a wash with his good deeds of helping to end Darth/The Emperor. We’ve already established that horrible people/villains do bad things in narrative to help the audience understand how the writers want you to feel about them but like HJ said, the expectation isn’t that they get to date/be the TL of the heroine without so much as a “so sorry” and any sort of atonement.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Im laughing about this comparation of Han and Leia, if only they knew what JJ adam would do on Star wars VII, lol, and i wont say more bc i dont know if everyone here saw SW VII yet.
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I haven’t seen any of the star wars films *ducks for cover* Yeah, idk where I’ve been, it seems like one of the classics that everyone should have seen by now. O hear Disney is making three more.
Seems a bit excessive to me. I think the new one should have capped off the series and left it at that.
I think Disney should be focusing on going down the road they started with the Oz movies. It had potential, but i guess there is more of an audience for star wars.
And I just wanted to post something :3"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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