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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • February 24, 2016 at 5:32 am #317612
    Ranisha Pitts
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    Looks like I am eating crow.

    Hi Everyone

    yeah firebird makes me think more of Neal then Hook. I always associated Hook with seas and water.  Not fire.  I associated fire with Neal since Baelfire means I believe a bale of fire. I recalled my pics of Neal as the phoenix rising out of the ashes.  I guess its another Neal related thing shifted over to Hook. shrugs  

    https://www.tumblr.com/prissyhalliwell/100941634961/empresssilversky-empresssilversky-you-dont

    Yeah about that……

    And

    This

    https://www.tumblr.com/empresssilversky/109710696525/au-of-nealfire-as-the-dark-one

    And This

    https://www.tumblr.com/empresssilversky/109722149460/baevil-neal-as-the-dark-one

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    "I will be kind but I will speak my mind."

    February 24, 2016 at 10:34 am #317624
    CrownedWithLaurels
    Participant

     

    Is Operation Light Swan still on when Once Upon a Time returns? –Allison
    -No, it appears Operation Light Swan has served its purpose, to be replaced by a new mission Henry dubs “Operation Firebird.”

     

    yeah, seems like this is HENRY’S mission. I… I don’t know how I feel.  It would make sense for Henry to at least try to get his  father back. Whether it sticks or not, it would be the first genuine, common-sense acknowledgement of the unfinished business Neal has, which obviously doesn’t give me much faith that it will happen because all they’ve done is #ignore #ignore #ignore. But it would be perfectly in character for Henry to have a mission to save his father. I’d be more angry if they had him not even bat an eye and just accept it. Not that this show is anything like it was when it first started, but the idea makes me feel like S1. Heck, Henry was willing to die and give his heart to Pan to save Magic, why wouldn’t he want to save his father if he sees an opportunity, no matter the cost? It’s by no means #hope, but if this is what is in store, like I said, even <del>  if  </del> when he fails to bring him back, it is more true to their original story than anything I’ve seen past 3×10.

    Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.

    February 24, 2016 at 1:38 pm #317626
    Rainbow
    Participant

    Saw this online

    https://www.tumblr.com/phoenixwrites/139912983645/mrjneal-to-return-to-ouat

    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

    February 24, 2016 at 2:13 pm #317627
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    Neal’s warning at the beginning of S5b reminds me strongly of Merlin’s warning to little Emma at the start of S5a (and we know had badly it turned out). Something tells me that Emma’s headstrong insistence on journeying to the Underworld with her family to rescue Hook could backfire. Instead of ridding the world of the darkness when she had the chance, Emma’s disregard for Merlin’s, her parents’ and even Hook’s pleas to let him go rather than bind him to Excalibur resulted in unleashing yet another dark one on the world and nearly got all of Emma’s family killed. Emma’s choice to ignore Neal’s warning could potentially have a very negative consequence, too. Feel free to disagree, but if there were a thematic message that tied together all season 5, I’d say it’s how Emma’s foolhardy decision to put Hook first at all costs means bad things keep happening (to paraphrase Merlin).

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    February 24, 2016 at 2:30 pm #317629
    Bar Farer
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    Merlin’s warning didn’t make any sense. He told Emma not to pull the sword from the stone. Forget the fact that Emma didn’t even do it, the sword was pulled in present day storybrooke in 506, meaning that anything that happened before wasn’t the consequences that Merlin was talking about, so Hook turning into a dark one would have happened regardless if Emma pulled the sword. Everything that happened after she pulled the sword from the stone, didn’t happen because she did it. Nothing was a consequence of that act. Hook would have still wanted revenge, he would have still opened the gate to the Underworld, which didn’t even need the sword in order to do it, only Rumple’s blood. In addition, they needed the sword to get rid of the darkness, even if it had caused bad things, it would have still been inevitable because it was necessary.

    In my opinion, Neal’s warning will be nothing more than dramatic effect. From what I understood, his warning was generic “Don’t do it, bad things will happen” yeah, no kidding.

    "All your questions are pointless"

    February 24, 2016 at 2:53 pm #317631
    Slurpeez
    Participant

    Merlin’s warning didn’t make any sense. He told Emma not to pull the sword from the stone. Forget the fact that Emma didn’t even do it, the sword was pulled in present day storybrooke in 506, meaning that anything that happened before wasn’t the consequences that Merlin was talking about, so Hook turning into a dark one would have happened regardless if Emma pulled the sword. Everything that happened after she pulled the sword from the stone, didn’t happen because she did it. Nothing was a consequence of that act. Hook would have still wanted revenge, he would have still opened the gate to the Underworld, which didn’t even need the sword in order to do it, only Rumple’s blood. In addition, they needed the sword to get rid of the darkness, even if it had caused bad things, it would have still been inevitable because it was necessary.

    Admittedly, the first few episodes are very disjointed from the back half of S5a, which makes it seem like the writers certainly switched gears midway through the arc. For instance, in 5×1, Emma said her entire family and friends (except Henry) had failed her, yet we never saw them fail. She said that they must be punished for what they did to her, but they never did anything to her in Camelot. If anything, it seems like Emma’s family and friends were nothing but supportive in trying to help her free Merlin to destroy the darkness. In 5×2, Emma questioned if Regina was afraid Henry would learn what happened Camelot, but Regina didn’t do anything that needed covering up; again, Emma did. Emma also said she’d engineered the curse so that there was no savior, making it seem like Emma cast it; yet we know it was Nimue acting through Hook who cast that dark curse that brought everyone back in 5×8. It also seemed like the writers were setting up Regina to be the new savior, but that went no where. Instead, the season really shifted gears around 5×6 to become all about Hook. So, I agree that Merlin’s initial warning not to remove Excalibur or else “bad things would happen” doesn’t exactly fit with what then happened in 5×6-5×11.

    However, I think we can still look at the underlying meaning behind Merlin’s warning (rather than say the exact specifics as they actually played out). Merlin again warned Emma in 5×7 not to tether Hook to the sword, because that is the dark path Merlin had foreseen her taking which would result in Emma embracing the darkness. Emma the proceeded to ignore Merlin, her family, and Hook by tethering Hook to Excalibur, turning him into another dark one. Obviously, something got retconned half way through S5a, but the theme of doing something bad, even if it’s seems like it’s for a good reason resulted in Emma trying to save a life but instead turned Hook into the thing he hated most. That is what I meant by the take-away theme of S5a and it potentially carrying over to S5b.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    February 24, 2016 at 3:36 pm #317633
    Marty McFly
    Participant

    hi @ouatrandothoughts, and twice, and crowned looks like we all came back here! here is to #hope that Hook is the ultimate evil and that swanfire lives on!!!

    February 25, 2016 at 12:03 pm #317672
    Bar Farer
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    "All your questions are pointless"

    February 25, 2016 at 12:42 pm #317675
    WickedRegal
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    hi @ouatrandothoughts, and twice, and crowned looks like we all came back here! here is to #hope that Hook is the ultimate evil and that swanfire lives on!!!

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    The Gang’s All Back Together Again!

    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

    February 25, 2016 at 9:05 pm #317702
    ouatrandothoughts
    Participant

    It is kind of weird to think about a bunch of people who quit the show becoming vaguely interested again over a brief cameo. Though, full disclosure, Robbie Kay coming back and having a scene with Bobby was what really first made me want to take a crack at Episode 100. Their chemistry makes the most objectively terrible family relationship on the show weirdly compelling to me.

    "Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."

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