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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • March 20, 2016 at 3:18 pm #319558
    Jiminy’s Journal
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    March 20, 2016 at 3:40 pm #319560
    RumplesGirl
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    RumplesGirl wrote:

    Things that are a bad idea: staying up until 3am watching Jane Eyre.

    Sounds like a very good idea if you ask me.

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    Until it’s 3 am and I’m crying my eyes out! But it was a version I haven’t seen in a long time (2006 with Ruth Wilson) so…I simply *had* to

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 20, 2016 at 4:14 pm #319563
    PriceofMagic
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    I think 5A is a vast improvement over 3B, 4A, 4B, and 5A and I think a lot of that is due to the fact that Hook has a lot less screentime. Whilst the Heroes aim is to save Hook, Hook is not in every scene, it’s refreshing. Hook is such a creator’s pet, the writers seem to think the sun shines out his backside. Hook is such a pain in the arse because his only role is as Emma’s boyfriend and the thing is he’s not done anything to earn that title, he’s done plenty to show why he shouldn’t be boyfriend material and Emma could do a lot better. S1 Emma would never go for someone like Hook because S1 Emma has common sense, self-respect and generally a decent sense of self-worth that wouldn’t lower herself to please the likes of Hook. Hook is slowly suffocating the life out of the show because everything has to be about him and how great the writers think he is. Colin is great but the character is so annoying why can’t they kill Hook off and have Colin appear as a long lost twin of Hook’s that we’ve not heard about who is actually a decent sort of guy and to be frank worst plot devices have happened. Monkey man Walshe was a preferential love interest than Hook because Hook is in many way the noose around OUAT’s neck, slowly strangulating the show to death. What happened to the show about strong women, what happened to Emma who has fallen so far because of Hook being part of her life. When it comes to Hades and Hook, I’m rooting for Hades.

    Regina is in many ways the star of the show now. She is the only character who has remained some consistency in her path to redemption even if in 3B there were issues in regards to OQ. OQ could’ve been so much more than it was, it had potential and that potential was squandered in favour for a quick get together that made Robin look like a douche. I don’t want Robin to die if he does indeed die but his character has been wasted ridiculously but not as bad as Will was with that crappy love interest of Belle’s storyline even though we knew it wouldn’t last because of Rumbelle which brings me to the fact that the writers need to grow some balls and do something else with Rumbelle other than constantly have Rumple lie to Belle then Belle breaks up with him then they get back together only for them to repeat the cycle. Don’t get me wrong, I want RumBelle together but how about trying something new writers? How about having RumBelle stick together but Belle starts getting drawn into the darkness so she starts becoming more Lacey like/Dark Belle and that is what inspires Rumple to give up being the dark one for good because it is dragging Belle down and he wants to save her from that? Rumple started off as the best character on the show yet the writers have thrown him under the bus in order to make Hook look good.

    I was rooting for Rumple in 4A, Hook started it and it blew up in his face, yet Rumple was treated as a villain. Yeah RUmple wasn’t in the right but still, Hook was treated as an innocent victim when he was anything but. He could’ve put up more resistance than he did, we’ve seen on the show that it can be done, Hook was just a wuss.

    Emma is a trainwreck at this juncture, the kindest thing would be to kill her off and put her out of her misery. The whole Snowing clan has suffered all to make Hook look better. Hook is poison to this show. The writers are about to screw up royally if they bring Hook back especially in terms when it comes to other meaningful character deaths. If the “heroes” (inverted commas because can we really 100% honestly call them that anymore?) can save Hook, then why the hell can’t they save anyone else that they love who dies? The Snowing clan have become so selfish, Emma is now the worst, they’re becoming unlikeable.

    Zelena is gaining popularity, not because of her own merits but because everyone else is so hypocritical it’s not funny. Zelena sticks a big middle finger up to them and that is why she is the highlight of 5A. I want her to prune the family tree from Emma downwards because Henry is boring and unrealistic. The kid is only meant to be what 13/14 there is no way that a kid hi age would be allowed to deal with the stuff he’s given on the show. He was such a brat in season 2, when he stupidly tried to blow up magic, I was kind of hoping he’d lose an arm or a hand just so he would learn his lesson the hard way and his treatment of Regina was the worst. To not want anything to do with her is one thing, it’s understandable after everything she’d done, but to dangle himself like a carrot just so he would get his own way, then take it away was cruel.

    CS is the worst thing to happen to the show in the history of the show. It’s repulsive, vile and is poisoning the show that we used to love so much. There was sexual chemistry in Tallahassee but it was that chemistry where it would be so wrong. For the writers to make CS a thing, what the hell were they thing CS worked better as UST not full blown romance. Hook is the characters you’d tell your daughters to run away from as fast as they could to the ends of the earth if they had to. He is not a nice man, he is not a good man, not a decent man, nowhere in the ball park of being called boyfriend material man, he is the worst thing to happen to the show.

    Neal was so much better. yes he and Emma wouldn’t realistically get back together after everything that went down but he was a decent guy, a good father, and all around swell guy and he was thrown under the bus to make CS happen. If the only reason for a ship to happen is because Hook was the only option Emma had, that’s not good. Emma didn’t choose Hook, he choice was taken away. CS is the death of the show.

    A good hero you want to win, a good villain you kind of want to win but know they won’t. A bad hero you want the villain to win. I want Hades to win. I want Hades to destroy Hook and make him suffer to make him regret all his past misdeeds at least to the point where Hook feels compelled to go around genuinely apologising for how he has wronged people. I want the characters to stop whitewashing Hook, I want Emma to wake up and smell the coffee. I’d settle for 1 out of 3 because we sure as hell aren’t going to get all 3.

    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    March 20, 2016 at 6:06 pm #319569
    Jiminy’s Journal
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    What PoM said.

    March 20, 2016 at 6:50 pm #319577
    WickedRegal
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    Unfortunately Hook wins again and everyone else is just screwed. If you ever need to explain Once Upon A Time to anyone, just say that sentence….it sums it all up.

    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

    March 20, 2016 at 7:23 pm #319590
    Rainbow
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    Unfortunately Hook wins again and everyone else is just screwed. If you ever need to explain Once Upon A Time to anyone, just say that sentence….it sums it all up.

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    My dear @WR u are forgetting another 2 sentences to explain OUAT besides that ones, Because Plot and Your Questtions are Pointless.

    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

    March 20, 2016 at 9:29 pm #319603
    ouatrandothoughts
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    Wow, that episode. On the one hand, tons of retconning (trying to make Hook look better in the flashback, ugh) and OOC-ness (having Milah and Gold sort of resolve things and then him ‘kill’ her AGAIN, the whole sketchy second born deal which may or may not be incredibly OOC for Spinner Rumple, YMMV), on the other hand…they essentially rebooted Rumplestiltskin’s character arc to be once again about making terrible decisions related to a child, and there is a tiny, TINY part of me that can kind of respect that. I feel like it’s Adam and Eddy recognizing that this is Rumplestiltskin at his most compelling.

    Now, can I say there’s story arc fidelity in this? Absolutely not, he just regressed an absurd amount. But I actually found Hades’ turning everything on him at the end of the episode more compelling than anything else I’ve seen them do with him since Neal died. I really felt like there were stakes again for Rumps! The follow through will probably suck but…you know, for a second I sort of cared about the character again.

    Of course, this makes Bae being fine and happy in heaven even MORE absurd considering his dad is ruining both his AND his family’s life, but we can’t have everything, clearly.

    "Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."

    March 20, 2016 at 9:37 pm #319605
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Wow, that episode. On the one hand, tons of retconning (trying to make Hook look better in the flashback, ugh) and OOC-ness (having Milah and Gold sort of resolve things and then him ‘kill’ her AGAIN, the whole sketchy second born deal which may or may not be incredibly OOC for Spinner Rumple, YMMV), on the other hand…they essentially rebooted Rumplestiltskin’s character arc to be once again about making terrible decisions related to a child, and there is a tiny, TINY part of me that can kind of respect that. I feel like it’s Adam and Eddy recognizing that this is Rumplestiltskin at his most compelling.

    I completely agree. It re-centered his story in a horrifying way that makes me *head desk*, but it re-centered it. It seems clear to me that A and E recognize that Rumple’s entire story was being a father so maybe killing his son was a stupid idea!

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 20, 2016 at 9:48 pm #319611
    WickedRegal
    Participant
    WickedRegal wrote:

    Unfortunately Hook wins again and everyone else is just screwed. If you ever need to explain Once Upon A Time to anyone, just say that sentence….it sums it all up.

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    My dear @WR u are forgetting another 2 sentences to explain OUAT besides that ones, Because Plot and Your Questtions are Pointless.

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    YES!!!! LOL!!! THIS TOO!!!! 🙂

    YES! Lol! THIS TOO! 🙂

    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

    March 20, 2016 at 10:02 pm #319619
    ouatrandothoughts
    Participant
    ouatrandothoughts wrote:

    Wow, that episode. On the one hand, tons of retconning (trying to make Hook look better in the flashback, ugh) and OOC-ness (having Milah and Gold sort of resolve things and then him ‘kill’ her AGAIN, the whole sketchy second born deal which may or may not be incredibly OOC for Spinner Rumple, YMMV), on the other hand…they essentially rebooted Rumplestiltskin’s character arc to be once again about making terrible decisions related to a child, and there is a tiny, TINY part of me that can kind of respect that. I feel like it’s Adam and Eddy recognizing that this is Rumplestiltskin at his most compelling.

    I completely agree. It re-centered his story in a horrifying way that makes me *head desk*, but it re-centered it. It seems clear to me that A and E recognize that Rumple’s entire story was being a father so maybe killing his son was a stupid idea!

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    I’m glad I’m not crazy on this front. Bobby didn’t feel like he was phoning it in in this one (which is what I felt from the mid season opener tbh), he seemed genuinely invested. It’s probably because it gets back to the core of his character. Is it wrong that there’s a part of me that wants to see his dire straights push him into Pan’s arms? It would be a train wreck but he’s in such a terrible spot that going to dad to help actually kind of seems plausible for his character at this point.

    In other news: I continue to not be invested in Emma and Hook’s dramz at all, lol.

    "Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."

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