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April 3, 2016 at 7:07 pm #320755
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KeymasterIgnore please. Trying to fix a broken forum
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 3, 2016 at 9:33 pm #320775Marty McFly
ParticipantJiminy’s journal, I loved that long post about how Neal couldn’t possibly not have unfinished business if a quill and a horse can have unfinished business, it was obviously to shut the Neal fans up. Also, a scene with Neal and Milah could have potentially be soooo beautiful!
So are they shutting us up, or…….. there is more to this story?
They mentioned Neal to shut us up, or to show how much moe love there is between him and Emma?
Was it to shut us up, or, open it up to more possibilities…April 3, 2016 at 10:08 pm #320782Marty McFly
ParticipantRainbow, I read you link, but I don’t agree. I didn’t think the stakes need to be high. Who cares about stakes? Graham died, it eas was to show how Regina was still evil. Neal died for no reason at all other than to show that Gold wasn’t finished suffering, etc.
And the artical actually considered hook to have made a sacrifice??? Nope. Don’t like article.April 3, 2016 at 10:34 pm #320791WickedRegal
Participant“I’ve got 99 Problems… and Captain ‘Hook’ Killian Jones is all of them! Why Hook is NOT reformed character. And why CS is toxic – The red flags” Long post — may have language.
Thought all the links were quite interesting — the psych blog also offers a really clear-headed explanation of rape culture.
Hook has a sad story but it’s nowhere near as compelling as Rumple or Regina’s. And Colin is a fine actor but he doesn’t elicit the same empathetic reactions that Bobby and Lana do (no discredit to Colin. He does well with what he’s given, but you can tell he relishes playing the sociopath more than the love struck woobie pirate).
All THIS! I think so a lot of it has to do with actor talent and the fact that both Bobby and Lana are, in my opinion, in literally a different league than most of the other members of the cast. Everyone else does a good job, don’t get me wrong — but those two just have a gravitas and oomph that makes everyone else pale in comparison. But I think the other factor in this is audience resistance combined with the writers really digging in their heels and stubbornly cramming CS down everyone’s throat. I mean, die-hard CSers aside, I think most of contemporary TV audiences of a show like OUAT can spot a Marty Stu when they see one.
Bobby and Lana are OUAT’s strongest actors….it’s been like this since episode one. From the time Regina interrupted the wedding ceremony and Snowing went to go visit Rumple in his cell….those were the points where Evil Regals and Dearies were born. Lana and Bobby are also really nice, loving, laid back people who show support for their fans the best way they could and we as fans respect them for not only their gift or their character’s compelling stories, but their personality that makes those who are thousands of miles away, feel as if we are best friends with them.
Colin O’Donoghue is a really nice guy, but I think we all know why he has such a fan base like the “Hookers” is because he’s their definition of “hot.” Much with the Twilight Drama…they didn’t care about the story or anything, all they saw was Edward was hot, Jacob was hot so one of them deserved Bella more or like the Vampire Diaries where fans said Damon was hotter than Stefan so he was more perfect for Elena….the hotter guy deserves the girl, not the more caring, compassionate, understanding, and loving…but the one with the dark eyes, bright eyes, and eight pack. He could treat the girl like utter crap, but fans will find a way to romanticize it….they are so blinded by the looks, they can’t see the poison lying underneath. Which is what has happened to CaptainSwans…they have become “sexy-matized”.
And because MRJ was not what they considered hot, and he stood in the way of the guy who was, MRJ became CaptainSwan’s mortal enemy, and they took it literally out on the actor because he wasn’t born hot enough to satisfy their bad boy desires. Similar situation with SwanQueen who take their hatred for Robin out on Sean Maguire, who stood in the way of SwanQueen, wasn’t hot enough, and wasn’t born a woman therefore they took all of that out on the actor. OutlawQueens did the same thing with Christie Lang, she wasn’t prettier than Lana and stood in the way of their ship, so they took it out on the actress. And I certainly remember in the beginning, a similar thing happened with Snowing Fans who didn’t like Catherine actress because she stood in the way of Snowing, and didn’t fit the look.
That’s the sad reality of this fandom….you have to be hot and not in the way of that ship to get their approval. It’s a sad sad reality.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
April 3, 2016 at 11:14 pm #320803Slurpeez
ParticipantLOL! Even Zelena and Hades probably have true love!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
April 3, 2016 at 11:19 pm #320804RumplesGirl
KeymasterLOL! Even Zelena and Hades probably have true love!
My only satisfaction right now will come from Hades and Zelena having a big TLK and Hook/Emma continue to fizzle and never get the magic rainbow.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 3, 2016 at 11:43 pm #320808Slurpeez
ParticipantLOL! Even Zelena and Hades probably have true love!
My only satisfaction right now will come from Hades and Zelena having a big TLK and Hook/Emma continue to fizzle and never get the magic rainbow.

ETA – Hades, the lord of the UW whose heart of frozen, said he would never do anything to hurt Zelena, and he thinks what they have could be true love. Does anyone else wonder if this is a deliberate contrast to when Hook, under the influence of the dark one curse, said he wanted to hurt Emma the way she hurt him? I know Hades could be pulling the wool down over Zelena’s eyes, but the acting choices make me believe he’s in earnest (unless Hades is the biggest sociopath of all).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
April 4, 2016 at 1:14 am #320814Slurpeez
ParticipantA Tumblr post:
//Honestly the fact the freaking god of death that can’t even physically feel his own heart, that’s objectively the darkest villain we’ve had in a long time still treats his significant other better then even some of the so-called HEROES do speaks volumes.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
April 4, 2016 at 1:38 am #320816Keb
ParticipantMulan and Aurora said it: Love is sacrifice. Every pairing that’s had an on-screen TLK (I’m not sure what to make of Papa Jones’ story) did it when both had demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice for the other (Belle and Rumple too–he gave up his maid and the pleasure of her company so that she could have her freedom, and she chose to give up her freedom to save him from his curse–not as obvious as fighting dragons and eating apples to save the other’s life, but it’s there). It’s one big reason I believe that Swanfire is/was 100% True Love–they demonstrated that willingness at several points in their relationship.
Hades, on the surface anyway, seems to have that willingness. If it’s not a trick, if what we saw of his affection for Zelena was all true, then yes, he’s treating her way better that some of the other couples have. Zelena, however, isn’t there yet with him.
Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
April 4, 2016 at 1:49 am #320820RumplesGirl
KeymasterA Tumblr post:
//Honestly the fact the freaking god of death that can’t even physically feel his own heart, that’s objectively the darkest villain we’ve had in a long time still treats his significant other better then even some of the so-called HEROES do speaks volumes.

Yeah that. *points to Hook and his whole “When I win your heart–and I will win your heart” nonsense. It’s called space and respect, yo. Learn it.
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