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RG, now I understand what you were saying about the media’s effect on rape cultureI get it now
[adrotate group="5"]It’s odd…. there’s been so many terrible, terrible things done by nearly all the characters on this show that, for me, almost everyone cancels each other out in terms of permanent audience disapproval (hi Zelena). I don’t get upset by most things on the show, including actions that are the most disgusting choices a person can make (hi again Zelena) because I don’t get invested because it’s all horrible and ridiculous and so clearly fabricated to be a bigtop, consequence-less wonderland.
That said… there is something I can’t quite shake about the whole Hook going in on Henry about the book. I’m not upset (again, not enough invested to genuinely react), but every time I remember it, I just can’t stop squinting at how… mean that was.
I suppose it makes sense that that moment in particular sticks. Bringing a boy and his mother and his entire family to hell because revenge fuels you like wheaties? Alright sure, it’s dramatic nonsense and we’ll forget it next week, let’s just keep riding the rollercoster and see what weird adrenaline rush pops up around the next corner. But there’s something so small and personal and genuinely cruel about mocking a child for a) trying and b) trying to be creative and c) trying to be creatively helpful to you that just seems….. real?
Granted, I’m also the artist/writer in my group so this might just be 110% basic cable bias ^^
But there’s something so small and personal and genuinely cruel about mocking a child for a) trying and b) trying to be creative and c) trying to be creatively helpful to you that just seems….. real?
Because it’s bullying 101 and it’s very real in the very real world.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Ok so I know plenty of people on here will hate me….but here goes nothing. Like was Hook really “bullying” Henry here. And how “mean” was it? At first watch, I didn’t think much of it. Just watched the scene again, still think you guys are over-blowing this. The worst thing he says is, “Is my morning breakfast in here too?” Which considering what he was reading and how it had nothing to do with defeating Hades, which is what Henry said he would try, the sarcastic comment seemed reasonable to me. And he basically said what everyone else was thinking. When Henry shows him what he wrote, they are expecting it to have something to do with what he said he was going to try and do: defeat Hades. And even after he makes his sarcastic comment, he levels with Henry and genuinely says, “I thought you were going to use your author powers to defeat Hades.” If this is bullying, then I don’t even know anymore. Based on what Henry had said he would try and do, perhaps he should have informed the group before he gave them his book that he didn’t actually write what they are reading and it was out of his control. I would have reacted very similarly if I was Hook because if Henry had wrote that, it would have been ridiculous. Just my two cents worth.
Henry is literally blacking out and has no control over what he is writing. He’s trying to show them that he’s working on it, on fixing a problem that Hook is the cause of in the first place and all Hook (and Emma and Regina) can do is criticize that he’s, essentially, not working faster to save them while Emma and Hook spend the entire episode sitting in the apartment doing absolutely nothing to help. It’s not just what he says; listen to how he says it: sarcastically, rudely, and with an air of frustration and disappointment. Yeah you’re stuck in Hell, Hook. That must suck. But you’ve placed all your hopes of getting home on the shoulders of a 13 yr old and when it turns out he can’t work to your level of satisfaction…then he gets to be mean and no one calls him on it, instead they all blame Henry’s “teenage” disposition. Like, are you kidding me? He’s literally blacking out.
add in the latest sneak peek where once again Hook is being snarky/sassy lines that more or less “make fun of” the magical solution people are trying to come up with to get them all home–something that again is Hook and Emma’s fault–and it’s really unnecessary and cruel. He’s being incredibly ungrateful because it comes across as “how dare you have not saved me yet!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Sure, fair points. I just think if he knew Henry was blacking out, he wouldn’t have reacted that way. He reacted thinking Henry chose to write the seemingly insignificant material which had nothing to do with what he said he would try and do. If I was trying to get out of Hell, I would be frustrated too. But notice he doesn’t say anything after Henry tells them he blacked out and it wasn’t in his control. Henry should have led with that before giving the group his “work.”
I feel that logic is faulty.
Henry should lead with the blacking out because he should know that otherwise he’ll be on the receiving end of some mean bullying/snark, whatever you want to call it? Why? Maybe we could simply go for *nice* off the bat? It’s a mild case of victim blaming. Henry has taken on the burden of trying to save everyone and he’s doing his very best (he’s 13, remember? And shouldering something that no 13 yr old, or heck, even any previous author, had to shoulder) and he should be considering the feelings of how the man who doomed them all the Hell in the first place should feel before he speaks?
And again, Hook does it again next week in the latest sneak peek. There is a time when the snarky comments are simply coloring your character in a way that’s simply…not funny
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan of sass and sarcasm. And Hook, at times. And I definitely agree that being trapped anywhere can lead to frustration and regrettable outbursts…. in fact I would have enjoyed if Hook’s remarks had lead to some frustration/outbursts from Emma and Regina too… everyone is tired but it seemed out that nobody, besides Henry, bit back on Henry’s behalf.
I think for me it comes down to a) that they are in this mess because of Hook and b) Henry’s age. It’s one thing to ‘Sparkly Dirt’ Cora (which, still a great line IMO), but if it had been Bailee Madison (as an example) trying to come up with a plan after Hook got them purgatoried on that beach… and after a few episodes of Hook seeking contrition for that very action…. he then snips at the kid who’s trying to help?
Narratively, I can understand if it stemmed from a sense of guilt about what he’s done to this kid in general… but at best that makes it seem like he’s acting out on another person what he doesn’t like about himself (not okay) and at worst….. he’s being an oblivious pissant to legitimately the only innocent character in this mess (really really not okay).
Well I haven’t seen the sneak peak for next episode, but if I told everyone I would try and use my author abilities to defeat Hades, then I woke up and saw what had been written, I would feel the need to explain before I just showed them. I would expect them to be confused. It literally makes no sense unless I told them I didn’t do it on purpose. Sure, Hook was being snarky and rude…But he should tell them he blacked out because otherwise it looks like he deliberately wrote something that has nothing to do with defeating Hades. He shouldn’t tell them he blacked out so as to avoid snarky sarcastic comments. There is a difference. He said he was going to do something. He didn’t do it. He wrote something completely off topic. And since he didn’t actually write it, that’s something you say before you show everyone (everyone who is expecting it to be something completely different). Hook was just the only one who voiced his frustration, but I think everyone felt it. Because everyone was utterly confused. Like it was really odd for him not to say anything before giving the pages to everyone. Like what did he think everyone would say? “Great work Henry, you’re trying your best.” That would make no sense because he’s supposed to be writing about Hades. Try your best doesn’t apply here. Any horrible new writer can write at least something pertaining to Hades. This was so off topic, it made no sense and needed an explanation.
To me, his I’m doing my best rant made no sense because it’s out of his control. If he wrote something about Hades that just wasn’t good enough, and then Hook made those comments, then absolutely that’s so unfair because he’s trying and he’s new to this. But that’s not what happened. The pen wrote it.
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