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It’s one thing to ‘Sparkly Dirt’ Cora (which, still a great line IMO)
Love that line. That kind of sass is welcome.
Narratively, I can understand if it stemmed from a sense of guilt about what he’s done to this kid in general… but at best that makes it seem like he’s acting out on another person what he doesn’t like about himself (not okay) and at worst….. he’s being an oblivious pissant to legitimately the only innocent character in this mess (really really not okay).
Yup.
It’s worth pointing out that this isn’t just Hook. The writers give Regina some questionable lines as well. They are supposed to be sassy but they often come across as cruel and like she’s not actually redeemed (ie: any time she openly threatens Zelena’s life, more in the vein of the EQ)
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m not Hook’s biggest fan, but I think it was simply a sarcastic remark which was meant to be a stand-in for the audience’s reaction to Henry’s poor writing (which is a stand-in for the writers’). Henry’s line of “I’m doing my best!” is a very meta statement for the writers, who identify with Henry. They feel that we (like Hook) are frustrated by it and criticizing their efforts. Having said that, Hook’s tone came across as ungrateful, cruel and unsympathetic to the teenage son of the woman he professes to love. While I get that this is the writers’ meta way of showing how cruel the audience’s criticism of their writing comes across, it pretty much just underscored how poor a father figure Hook really is to Henry.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I’m not Hook’s biggest fan, but I think it was simply a sarcastic remark which was meant to be a stand-in for the audience’s reaction to Henry’s poor writing (which is a stand-in for the writers’). Henry’s line of “I’m doing my best!” is a very meta statement for the writers, who identify with Henry. They feel that we (like Hook) are frustrated by it and criticizing their efforts. Having said that, Hook’s tone came across as ungrateful, cruel and unsympathetic to the teenage son of the woman he professes to love. While I get that this is the writers’ meta way of showing how cruel the audience’s criticism of their writing comes across, it pretty much just underscored how poor a father figure Hook really is to Henry.
And if that is your take, that’s totally fine. I agree with a lot of that. It was rather snarky and sarcastic for sure. I only decided to comment because the words “mean” and “bullying” came up and I thought that was just a silly notion and overreaction to a sarcastic comment that everyone in the room was thinking. And despite his age, I just thought it was unrealistic for Henry to not say anything about him actually not writing any of it before showing everyone.
That don’t do anything to soften the sarcasm, though. Hook gets clued in that Henry is blacking out, literally, and apparently being taken over by Pen-Bob, and no one apologizes. No one is sympathetic. Hook doesn’t take back what he’s said, he doesn’t try to assure Henry that they’ll solve this and he’s grateful that Henry is trying his best, in spite of really bizarre circumstances. What does happen is “looks like we have a teenager on our hands” making Henry out to be emotionally unstable because of age, but not correcting the sass from before.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"That don’t do anything to soften the sarcasm, though. Hook gets clued in that Henry is blacking out, literally, and apparently being taken over by Pen-Bob, and no one apologizes. No one is sympathetic. Hook doesn’t take back what he’s said, he doesn’t try to assure Henry that they’ll solve this and he’s grateful that Henry is trying his best, in spite of really bizarre circumstances. What does happen is “looks like we have a teenager on our hands” making Henry out to be emotionally unstable because of age, but not correcting the sass from before.
Oh yeah, well that Emma line was ridiculous. But like, Hook said something sarcastic, and you’re right he didn’t apologize. But he didn’t say, “Henry you suck. This is awful.” I just think people say sarcastic things all the time, and don’t apologize. I mean, sure it would have been nice to get something from Hook like, “Oh, well ok then. Let’s figure out why you are blacking out.” But no one said anything. They focused on the teenager thing which was just dumb writing. The writers were trying to incorporate some moodiness with Henry but all of it just seemed off and unrealistic. And again, Henry isn’t “trying his hardest.” He didn’t do any of the writing. It’s literally out of his hands. So to me, that’s not a reasonable thing to say to him.
Even if it’s literally out of Henry’s hands, which I agree it is, the boy is still trying to shoulder the responsibility. There’s nothing wrong in hook saying, “Henry I know this is hard. I know I’ve put you in an impossible situation and I’m sorry. I’m grateful to all of you for coming to save me.” What isn’t okay is not softening his criticism, and then spending the rest of the episode sitting around waiting for the 13 yr old to save you. Henry’s being overtaken by a magic pen and maybe the “write Hades story” isn’t going to work as planned? Then don’t gripe, DO SOMETHING. and at the very least, try for some gratititude.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think there are a couple of things that make Hook’s comment particularly jarring.
– Hook sarcastically calls the story about Snow and Charming trying to deal — however ineffectually — with abandoning their son a “riveting tale”. However silly that plot line about the haunting, I actually feel for the two dummies (maybe because I’m a parent myself).
– The hierarchy of it — Henry is a kid, and NOT Hook’s child. He shouldn’t be disciplining him, period, especially not over something like this. Add to this that Henry is clearly freaked out by this weird thing happening to him, and Hook comes across like even more of an egotistical jerk.
More generally, that scene to me felt really striking because Hook just felt like someone with the emotional sensitivity and intellectual maturity of a frat boy.
He shouldn’t be disciplining him, period
A sarcastic comment followed by a legitimate question turns into disciplining. My goodness.
Maybe discipline isn’t the right word, but Hook still shouldn’t be speaking that way to Emma and Regina’s son. Especially if he has hopes of marrying Emma and being Henry’s step father. It’s what Slurpeez said…he makes a poor father figure because, like Nevermore said, he has the emotional maturity of a frat boy and needs some sensitivity training.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Maybe discipline isn’t the right word, but Hook still shouldn’t be speaking that way to Emma and Regina’s son. Especially if he has hopes of marrying Emma and being Henry’s step father. It’s what Slurpeez said…he makes a poor father figure because, like Nevermore said, he has the emotional maturity of a frat boy and needs some sensitivity training.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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