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I think there are two issues with that particular scene.
1. Hook being all snarky about Henry’s writing. It makes him look ungrateful since the only reason Henry and any of the others are there is to rescue Hook so he should be showing a bit more gratitude towards them instead of putting Henry down.
2. None of the others called Hook out on what he said. Clearly it upset Henry, but instead of any of the others perhaps saying to Hook “You shouldn’t have said that” or “you didn’t need to say it like that” they just ignored what Hook did and went “Oh Henry’s just being a teenager” which is kind of out of order since it’s as if the characters are wilfully overlooking Hook’s shortcomings.
I do wonder if there is a disconnect between the writers writing Hook and how they want him to be perceived and how he is actually being perceived. A great example is Hook’s line from the season 3 Neverland arc where he says to Emma “When I win your heart, Emma, and I will win it, it won’t be because of any trickery”.
Now during 3A I was constantly back and forth on where I stood on the CSF triangle (up to Dark Hollow when this line was said) so consequently I visited both the CS and SF thread. I always had a problem with that particular line. I thought it presumptuous, I thought it sounded cocky and it was as if Emma had no say in the matter because Hook told her that “when” he wins and that he “will win” her heart. I disliked that line intensely. However, the CSers liked it saying it was Hook being confident because he knew Emma had feelings for him.
That line could have been changed to sound better than it came out. Instead of “when” use “if” and cut out the middle part. So instead of:
“When I win your heart, Emma, and I will win it, it won’t be because of any trickery”.
It should’ve been:
“IF I win your heart, it won’t be because of any trickery”
With Hook’s line to Henry last episode, I wonder if the writers intention for it wasn’t how it was received.
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Keeper of FelixWhether that is “disciplining” is just something I’m not sure I agree with. I use sarcasm all the time. Most of the time, to just be funny.
I use sarcasm all the time. Most of the time, to just be funny. But when I do use it to “make fun” of something or someone, I’m not really “punishing” them. If anything, I’m pointing out something they may not have seen, and instead of straight up telling them, I’m using humor instead.
Oh, sure. Me too. But I bet you we mostly do it with our peers. Like, say, your original comment to my post on this topic could be interpreted as sarcastic. Which is totally fine, since on this platform, we’re structurally equals. So I think it depends on whether we consider Hook and Henry to be “peers.” I would argue that they’re not. Nor was Hook’s comment gentle or humorous teasing. Combine that with the character’s general tendency to choose weaker or vulnerable people to be the object of his ire/sarcasm/snappy remarks/violence, and it’s hard to interpret his lines in the spirit of sassy, snappy cuteness.
More broadly, and this goes to @POM’s commentary, this might be about a disconnect between writing and perception. I interpret Hook as a self-absorbed man-child. Much of my reaction to him is probably colored by my general lack of patience with that sort of character. But I’m sure some people find that sort of thing endearing, and that’s fine.
I had a quick thought about Emma in relation to this. It’s interesting that in order to be with Hook, Emma’s character has to be re-written as a sullen, selfish, lovelorn teen. In part, I think this is because this is where Hook’s at in terms of his emotional development. But then, it struck me that this might be also where Emma’s at, as a character. She’s had some very hard experiences, but she’s also skipped some crucial things that might have allowed her (or forced her) to mature in particular ways. She’d been robbed of a “normal” childhood by Regina, she did not have the experience of being a parent to Henry and missed most of his childhood — that diaper changing, up every 3 hours at night with colic, learning to crawl/walk/talk part that Regina was there for — and she will never (or not for a long time) have to face her parents getting older, frailer, and vulnerable in a way that forces one to invert one’s sense of self to become the care giver, rather than the recipient of care. So many of the emotional milestones that regular people go through, Emma simply hasn’t had.
I do wonder if there is a disconnect between the writers writing Hook and how they want him to be perceived and how he is actually being perceived
Lately I find myself going back and forth on this. On the one hand, I don’t think the writers want him to be perceived as a self-absorbed man-child (to quote @Nevermore) but on the other hand, at this stage in the game, how can they be so deaf to what many have to say about the say they’re perceiving Hook.
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Hey, Ranisha commented. As you can guess I read some of the comments.
It’s kind of amusing and kinda sad that some CSers/Hookers still feel so insecure about Neal and the role he played in Emma’s life vs their pirate that they have to go to an article the ACTOR gave for his new show and talked a little bit about OUAT and spew some of their Neal hate there. They seriously need to
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