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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • May 12, 2016 at 3:21 pm #323535
    PriceofMagic
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    I think the main problem with CS isn’t necessarily the idea of CS itself per se but rather all the factors around it. These are the 3 main problems:

    1. CS has become the main focus of the show. Everything else is pushed aside in favour of CS, the plot is only there to serve CS and other ships get wrecked or pushed to the background so that CS can be showcased. The writers don’t seem to understand that not everyone likes CS.

    2. Hook- Hook is a creator’s pet. He meets all the criteria necessary to be considered one. The problem is Hook has so much potential that could be utilised to make him a more rounded character yet the writers ignore it to keep him static and change other characters to make Hook fit in rather than vice versa. Hook has shown no remorse for his past misdeeds yet is instantly forgiven by the other characters for no reason at all. Both Regina and Rumple had to work for their redemptions yet Hook was given a free pass. Rumple is now vilified yet again for no good reason other than the writers can’t be bothered to write him any other way and the Rumple/Hook rivalry is constantly churned up despite the fact both men should’ve put it to rest by now. Even if they don’t like each other, which they shouldn’t, they should’ve at least decided to stay out of each other’s way. All it’s doing now is to showcase Hook as “good” and Rumple as “bad” yet Hook antagonises Rumple then cries foul when it comes back to bite him in the backside. See 4A for a prime example. Hook blackmailed Rumple more than once for no other reason than his own selfish desires, Rumple got the upper hand and Hook didn’t like it. I still think Hook was more capable of doing more than he did to work against Rumple despite Rumple having his heart because of the evidence we’ve seen so far when it comes to ripped hearts, but it seems the writers just wanted to go for “poor Hook, bad Rumple”. Another example would be the DO mess in 5A. The evidence of what we’ve seen does not gel with what the writers want us to think. It seems the writers are more in love with Hook than the fans.

    3. Emma- She’s the biggest problem with CS in that her whole character has been overhauled in order to make CS work. She is not the Emma Swan from season 1, 2, 3A. Even giving her lee way to evolve from being a closed off individual to a more open one, she still shouldn’t be acting like she is now. She has forsaken all the other important relationships in her life including her son in favour of Hook. Everything she does revolves around Hook. Her whole life now revolves around Hook to the point that she’d risk everything including her son’s safety to get him back because she can’t bear to be without Hook. She’s become desperate and clingy. Even Hook himself has said more than once for her to let him go yet she still clings to him. Her making out with Hook at Robin’s funeral when Robin’s casket wasn’t even in the ground yet was disgraceful and disrespectful. The Emma of old would never have done that. She may have hugged him then and there but she would’ve waited for a more appropriate location. I’m surprised this Emma didn’t just bang Hook on the coffin just to make a point of it. Emma being killed off the show would be the kindest thing at this point, before she sinks any lower than she already has.

    In conclusion, the biggest problems pertaining to CS are Hook, Emma, and the amount of time devoted to showcasing this ship.

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    Keeper of Felix
    May 12, 2016 at 3:45 pm #323538
    nevermore
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    In conclusion, the biggest problems pertaining to CS are Hook, Emma, and the amount of time devoted to showcasing this ship.

    Nice analysis! Actually, I came across this TV trope category — it seems to fit CS perfectly.

    I’m still reeling a bit from that scene too. And now that I think about it, it strikes me that Hook seemed a bit reticent/overwhelmed by Emma’s onslaught. It makes me wonder whether JMo is actually consciously playing Emma as borderline unstable in her obsession. It almost feels like Hook is a kind of drug for Emma, and I wonder if JMo, within the confines of the script she is given, is actually performing a character who is mentally and emotionally deteriorating. While the writers might be pushing CS down everyone’s throat, there’s this way in which JMo is performing Emma that seems to be sending a different, more negative message. Thoughts?

    May 12, 2016 at 4:58 pm #323546
    PriceofMagic
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    I thought Hook look a little less into it in that scene too @nevermore

    I was reading that link you posted and it mentioned a certain triangle in Lost. We often compare CS to Spike and Buffy and how unhealthy that was (even though that was the intent of the show), but reading that link reminded me of another couple that perhaps represent CS more accurately: Sawyer and Kate from Lost which coincidentally is the same show that A&E worked on before OUAT.

    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    May 12, 2016 at 8:01 pm #323554
    rainbow2
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    There was someone on the forum that posted a theory about hook looking sort of “lost”, of maybe is not really him, or something, like maybe was Pan that took over hook body, which in for me would be even more gross than CS, lol

    May 12, 2016 at 11:11 pm #323580
    Slurpeez
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    @rainbow — I highly doubt that happens. I think it’s just dumb old Hook who’s back.


    @Priceofmagic
    — Yeah, JMo seems to have been playing Emma as being very desperate, clingy, needy, mentally unstable, and not at all herself. Emma has seemed on the verge of a nervous breakdown all season. It could just be JMO’s acting choices, but part of me still wonders if she’s being coached to play Emma that way. Also, Emma seems very pale and lifeless this season. Others have wondered if it’s just JMo’s makeup or if JMo is actually ill in real life. I don’t know if it’s real cause for concern or just Emma being depicted as worn-down by life (and by a certain toxic relationship).

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 12, 2016 at 11:25 pm #323584
    Slurpeez
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    She [Regina] said, um, “my happy ending is finally feeling at peace in the world” and that’s a really powerful message. Because your happiness isn’t dependent on someone else. ~Lana Parrilla

    Emma, honey- listen to the smart lady. x

    "My happy ending is finally feeling at home in the world" – Regina Mills #OnceUponATime #EvilRegals #AskLana

    — Lana Parrilla (@LanaParrilla) May 4, 2015

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 12, 2016 at 11:44 pm #323586
    rainbow2
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    @rainbow — I highly doubt that happens. I think it’s just dumb old Hook who’s back.

    @priceofmagic — Yeah, JMo seems to have been playing Emma as being very desperate, clingy, needy, mentally unstable, and not at all herself. Emma has seemed on the verge of a nervous breakdown all season. It could just be JMO’s acting choices, but part of me still wonders if she’s being coached to play Emma that way. Also, Emma seems very pale and lifeless this season. Others have wondered if it’s just JMo’s makeup or if JMo is actually ill in real life. I don’t know if it’s real cause for concern or just Emma being depicted as worn-down by life (and by a certain toxic relationship).

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    Oh, yeah, i hope so, bc the other idea is simply gross, i even prefer Cs to the other idea.

    Jmo appears have some strong migraines, that appear to her on S3, coincidence i dont think so, so she has to take some pills, maybe this year she is worst and those pills sort of make her fel bad.

    May 12, 2016 at 11:44 pm #323587
    nevermore
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    @Slurpeez — I was struck by the same thing about JMo and I do think it’s a conscious make up choice (and clothing and hairstyle that accentuate this. Note the contrast with “young Emma” where she actually looks fresh faced and healthy). Whether it’s meant to index Emma’s seemingly deteriorating mental state or the fact that she’s been run down by life, I’m not sure. But that scene in the second sneak peek where she smiles as Hook comes in, she looks … Really kinda sick.

    I do wonder if they — or someone on OUAT — is playing with the addiction trope again.

    Also, Rainbow — that is a disgusting but hilarious theory.

    May 13, 2016 at 12:21 pm #323606
    PriceofMagic
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    You know what I noticed between Emma and Hook making out at Robin’s funeral and the second sneak peek? The sky changes from daylight to night time. Now assuming everyone went straight to Granny’s after the funeral for Robin’s wake, and considering Hook appeared just after everyone had left the funeral, what took Emma so long to get to the wake? It’s seems that CS banging each other on Robin’s coffin might not be out of the realm of possibility unfortunately. They were very into each other to the point that they clearly wouldn’t put their reunion on hold, plus making out then cutting to black is screen code for sex.

    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    May 13, 2016 at 2:56 pm #323616
    Bar Farer
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    Game of Silence is cancelled unfortunately.

    "All your questions are pointless"

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