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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • July 10, 2016 at 4:34 pm #325399
    RumplesGirl
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    Let their mutual fatherly ties to Baelfire gradually create a mutual understanding between them. *head desk*

    Another nice parallel to Emma. Just as she heals the wounds between Snow and Regina, Bae heals the breach between Rumple and Hook.

    In my perfect world where I write the show, Hook died making sure Baelfire got home to his son to make up for his sin of selling Nealfire to the Lost Boys and robbing young Bae of having any sort of childhood/father-son relationship. It was all set up in S2 finale with his “the things we do for our children” line and an instant flashback to Hook and Bae on the JR. Full circle.

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    July 10, 2016 at 4:40 pm #325401
    Slurpeez
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    Also, instead of giving us half-season villains who get defeated easily, give us the entire series-long villain in the form of the Blue Fairy. Let her have been playing a very long con, but make her motivations very complicated and utilitarian. Let it be that she tricked Bae into coming to ALWM, setting off a whole slew of events. Let it be the case that Blue wanted Rumple to transport everyone to ALWM because of the EF was under threat.  Let there be some sort of existential threat that only Henry being the truest believer and author can fix. The BF could have been the one who foresaw Henry being the truest believer centuries before he was born. She was the one who engineered Emma and Neal meeting because she knew Henry being the product their true-love union would make him the next Chosen One. Making Henry both the author and the truest believer was a great twist, but it’s meaningless without there being a greater threat that spans the entire series. There needs to be some end goal and overarching tension which drives the story towards its ultimate climax. Otherwise, where is the real tension and what is the goal?

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    July 10, 2016 at 5:56 pm #325402
    WickedRegal
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    Fascinating how we all can come up with better and far more compelling storylines in less than one day, when Adam and Eddy had months and still couldn’t get the job done!

    At this point, I’m convinced Adam and Eddy really just don’t know how to tell a story. Proof of this is that they have to Razzle Dazzle the audience so they won’t be able to see the mess behind what they believe is a golden trail.

    Also, instead of giving us half-season villains who get defeated easily, give us the entire series-long villain in the form of the Blue Fairy. Let her have been playing a very long con, but make her motivations very complicated and utilitarian. Let it be that she tricked Bae into coming to ALWM, setting off a whole slew of events. Let it be the case that Blue wanted Rumple to transport everyone to ALWM because of the EF was under threat. Let there be some sort of existential threat that only Henry being the truest believer and author can fix. The BF could have been the one who foresaw Henry being the truest believer centuries before he was born. She was the one who engineered Emma and Neal meeting because she knew Henry being the product their true-love union would make him the next Chosen One. Making Henry both the author and the truest believer was a great twist, but it’s meaningless without there being a greater threat that spans the entire series.

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    When you really look at it…the Blue Fairy really started this. Instead of telling Baelfire how to deliver his father of the Dark One Curse, through true love, she gave him a magical bean instead when she knew that Rumple would not be able to let go of that power!

    The Blue Fairy knew exactly what Regina was going through with Cora, and didn’t lift a finger to help! Then when the time came for Tinkerbelle to help Regina find love again, the Blue Fairy refused to help Regina because she had already signed her off to a fate of darkness when in reality, had Blue Fairy assisted Tinkerbelle in getting Regina to meet Robin Hood, it could’ve very well succeeded and the whole Evil Queen Era would have never happened!

    The Blue Fairy was aware that the Tree could send two people to the land without magic, but instead of allowing Snow White or Prince Charming to go with Emma, she allowed Geppetto to send a CHILD through the portal with Emma! And lied to Snow and Charming’s face about it all!

    Blue Fairy really does have a shady history that could still lead up to her being the Greatest Big Bad of OUAT, especially since we don’t really know if the Dark Fairy was really who Blue said she was. And it would all make sense if it turns out Blue Fairy is the mastermind behind all of this!

    She will be Shady Blue until the end of this series!

    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

    July 10, 2016 at 7:21 pm #325403
    Jiminy’s Journal
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    I love how this somehow managed to come back around to Sneaky Fairy.

    Did you know Keegan originally auditioned for the role of Maleficent in Descendants before Kristin Chenoweth got the part?

    July 10, 2016 at 10:06 pm #325409
    nevermore
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    And it would all make sense if it turns out Blue Fairy is the mastermind behind all of this!

    It makes so much sense. And yet, sadly, A&E are probably aware of the Sneaky Fairy theory, which kind of squishes any chance it has to come to fruition. Because oh noes, we must surprise the fans. (Why random left-field villain — in the best case scenario, formerly known as Peasant #5 — should cause any sort of surprised excitement from the audience is totally beyond me, but there you have it).

    But this goes back to the point that a lot of people are making on this thread: that, basically, A&E really suck at storytelling.

    July 11, 2016 at 6:17 am #325415
    sciencevsmagic
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    Why random left-field villain — in the best case scenario, formerly known as Peasant #5 — should cause any sort of surprised excitement from the audience is totally beyond me, but there you have it

    What if Peasant #5 started a revolt? Taking back control of their lives from the so-called leaders who’ve caused so much chaos. People of Storybrooke vs The FTL Extended Royal Family. Sides would be taken (who would Granny and the dwarves side with?). Powerful accomplices recruited. Wits pitted against magic. I could get excited about this. If nothing else, it’s about time a peasant got a decent storyline.

    July 11, 2016 at 7:15 am #325417
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    I could get excited about this. If nothing else, it’s about time a peasant got a decent storyline

    #RiseUp

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    July 11, 2016 at 7:32 am #325418
    nevermore
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    I could get excited about this. If nothing else, it’s about time a peasant got a decent storyline.

    Oh, I would absolutely get excited over this. Proletariat of the (multiple parallel) worlds, unite 😉 And actually, that makes me think that the one thing I so wish they had developed more was the political economy of Storybrooke. As in, how the heck is SB getting supplies if it’s invisible? Who’s providing the utilities? I know, magic, but that’s not a particularly satisfying explanation.

    July 11, 2016 at 4:55 pm #325426
    PriceofMagic
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    Making Henry both the author and the truest believer was a great twist

    I disagree, I thought it was a cheap ploy. The truest believer bit was fine as it fit into the Neverland arc (which had enough potential for a mini-series like Wonderland) and it tied into Henry in the first season (believing in magic despite others thinking he was crazy).

    Making Henry the author was bad as it turned him into a jumped up little git. Henry is my least favourite character out of all the regulars because he is such a pain in the arse full of his own self importance.

    In the past I’ve likened Hook to be A&E poor man’s version of Spike from Buffy (albeit without Spike’s emotional complexity or character development or detailed back story and character consistency), Emma seems to be A&E’s very loose rendition of Buffy (reluctant saviour but with social ties). Henry is Dawn. Dawn could get very irritating at times to the point you were rooting for the monsters. Henry is more annoying than Dawn.

    All magic comes with a price!

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    July 11, 2016 at 6:02 pm #325428
    nevermore
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    albeit without Spike’s emotional complexity or character development or detailed back story and character consistency

    Or Spike’s humor or social astuteness.

    Henry is more annoying than Dawn.

    To me the difference is that Dawn was chiefly whiny, whereas Henry is whiny and entitled. I did like him in the first season though, but he got worse and worse with each passing season.

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