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I don’t exactly blame Jennifer because she is in too deep. She probably doesn’t even watch the episodes. The writers talk to her in the right way, so she doesn’t see it. She is at fault for not being aware of what she is putting out there. I do understand her problem though. She wants to work. She wants to act. If she just says horrible things about the show, then that could go away. She could not get work anymore. I do think she might be more careful with what she does in the future though. People aren’t perfect though. Eddie and Adam i have much less tolerance for because they have a much greater control of the show.
Well, several actors while working in other projects had no problem in talking bad of some things of their characters, Twilight, 50shades, The vampire diaries, originals, Unreal etc, all movies and shows that had the actors saying that they are paid to act, but they dont agree with certain things the characters do, even this week TVD actor came to say that he doesnt understand how fans want Elena back to end withj damon or stefan when they destroyed her life, one thing is talk bad of the writers and show, the other is expressing that even tho the character does this, they dont agree, but like u said they are paid to act that way, i mean Hook killed Merlin, Zelena killed Neal, marian, raped Robin, Regina killed graham, and the thing the actors say is that every character deserves a happy ending( forgetting the dead ones that were killed ), except Rumple that is evil and he doesnt deserves belle, and that Adam and eddie are amazing writers that are writing a great development for the characters, im sorry, the only way i see this if not the actors is that they are forbidden of saying what they want and what they think, even tho Adam says the actors are free to say whatever they want to say.
[adrotate group="5"]I’m disappointed in her and the showrunners. Emma used to be an empowered heroine who stood up for the weak and never took crap from anyone. *shakes head in dismay*
^^ x1000 this! I literally can’t even. I mean, I can understand that sentiment in relation to one’s children. Maybe in relation to one’s partner of 40 years. But, as a general rule, if someone you’ve been with for a hot minute makes you feel like the prospect of your death is only meaningful in relation to their well being, you’re either (a) a teenager in love for the first time, or (b) been psychologically brainwashed and likely involved with a narcissist. Just saying.
And on a different note, what in the everloving hell is JMo thinking? At least here in the US of A, our current political culture’s currently reveling in a pretty horrifically, disgustingly hostile attitude to women, their rights to their bodies, autonomy, and worth. So unless JMo has been living under a rock, that comment enters a very particular rhetorical moment, at least on this side of the pond. So for someone who is supposed to be playing an empowered female character, I find her statement to be irresponsible at best, and, at worst, gleefully embracing garden variety misogyny. There’s is not enough #headdesk in the world to capture how unimpressed I am with her, the show, and A&E.
I absolutely think the actors are told what they have to say about the show. I don’t think they are allowed to just talk about the show how they feel. Also, i don’t think the fandom helps in that they attack Jennifer no matter what she says, so there is no value to her in saying what she thinks. She toes the party line because she is going to get chewed out regardless.
I just don’t think it is her fault as an actor, what happens on the show. I think she wants it to be what she is saying. That they are two people working through their issues and that it is realistic. It isn’t realistic. It isn’t healthy. It isn’t good. I think she doesn’t know. That may be irresponsible, but i think it’s true. I think that the reason scenes like the vision with Emma and Neal come off the way that they do, as much more romantic then Emma/Hook scenes, and that Emma is still a mess, depressed, is because that is Jennifer doing what she can. She can’t control the narrative.
I don’t know the actors from the shows you mentioned, but i know the girls from the 100 have been very vocal about the mistake it was to kill off Lexa. I agree, that as an actor that is what should be done. I also know that they as someone younger, the way that they view social media and the role of the audience in the creative control of the show, is very different then how someone in their late 30s views social media and the fandom/audience participation. Part of me thinks the reason that Eddie and Adam are so bad at interacting with the fandom is because they are in their mid 40s and their audience is so much younger then them. They don’t understand fandom or social media. They think that people talking about the show is good even if people find it extremely problematic. The majority of the actors are in their late 30s. I think there is a generational divide here.
They don’t understand fandom or social media. They think that people talking about the show is good even if people find it extremely problematic. The majority of the actors are in their late 30s. I think there is a generational divide here.
I think it’s probably part generational, part ideological. This isn’t just about social media use, it’s about what people get upset about, and whether the show runners can actually take the criticism seriously without immediately getting defensive or dismissing the critique (which A&E can’t). It seems that A&E genuinely think that what they’re writing is “feminist” by virtue of having female protagonists, and giving them occasionally “sassy” dialogue lines. And get totally pissed off when their audience suggests that well, guys, maybe that’s not quite enough anymore.
I wish I could be shocked, dismayed or horrified. But mostly I’m just exhausted. This show exhausts me. And frankly after last’s night political, uh, interest (let’s say) I’m just sad that these sorts of issues about gender equality and power dynamics and rape culture are 1) still around 2)upheld by entertainment media as the norm and 3) everyday people still don’t get how vital it is that we have a more open conversation about what’s going on gender wise.
To anyone who’s watching tomorrow, hug. Even if you’re not, you get a hug too.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think it’s probably part generational, part ideological. This isn’t just about social media use, it’s about what people get upset about, and whether the show runners can actually take the criticism seriously without immediately getting defensive or dismissing the critique (which A&E can’t). It seems that A&E genuinely think that what they’re writing is “feminist” by virtue of having female protagonists, and giving them occasionally “sassy” dialogue lines. And get totally pissed off when their audience suggests that well, guys, maybe that’s not quite enough anymore.
I definitely agree with you. The writers can’t take criticism. They do think they are writing something feminist by having a female protagonist and having them say powerful or sarcastic dialogue on very rare occasions. I do think that the audience doesn’t think that is enough. I just think that Adam and Eddie have no awareness that the people speaking against the show are their audience. I think that they think that everyone on twitter is a screaming fifteen year old girl wearing a pink princess shirt and can therefore be dismissed.
I also think that the fandom is really bad at talking about the problems. They say things like why hasn’t Hook apologized to Belle, instead of Hook is a misogynistic, murderous, tool and needs to die and not date the protagonist of your show. People do say those things, but they get watered down amidst all these little projects we give them. Then they have Hook apologize and they are like wink wink audience, is that enough? You like him now, right? We are going to regain viewers, right?
I think the lack of understanding is real. They really don’t get it. They don’t understand that the twitter senders and the tumblr blogs and the podcasters, not these podcasters who are just trying to make money, but the normal average person who just does it for fun, the fanfiction writers, the imdb posters. That they are really their audience. That is really how people feel about this show and that is why people quit watching it. They think everyone online is just a crazy fan who wants a certain couple to be together and can be kept on just by being baited. They think that when it is obviously, completely untrue.
It is a complicated issue.
i think a problem is that or they dont remember the past seasons, or they have lack of imagination or both, bc appears also, according to some people that saw this episode, appears Henry asks Hook to teah him how to sword fight, however they forgot that Charming and Neal already taught him how in S2, the same thing with the Henry and hook teaching him how to sail, at this moment the way the story is, i wonder how much they regret having made Baelfire a character, how much they regret Neal, or how much they regret of having bae as Neal so as Henry father, bc lets be real, Neal/Bae is now a missing piece that shows how much the show is being retcon, at this precise moment, they may be like, “crap, if that character didnt exist, there would exist so many plot holes, heck they may even regreting having made emma a mom.
That is why at this point i would be surprised if they sudden came with Neal/Bae was never Rumple kid, milah had one affair with some guy, and heck even with neal is not really henry father and at some point Hook from future would know what was going to happen and pretended to be neal and got emma pregnant to have the savior coming to SB, at this point i think the viewers and media would think that was a major twist, very well cover and would actually praise it and the ones that didnt, would be called haters.
I do agree with something @Hjbau said, the major part of the fandom that calls them out, are the SQ fans, they use proves that adam lied, they use very well arguments, that they end destroying with their quotes of how Sq was always meant to be, one thing is when they show and do a good job that makes people think about the show inconsistences, but then they detroy everything talking about SQ, which makes them look like they are mad bc of ships, so they are haters in ouat fandom way. The same thing for RB fans, they called how Neal and Rumple really didnt made peace, but then they say “hey look RB is going to have a baby and is a boy, which on RB fandom is like” oh, well neal is dead, rumple will have another chance to be a father lets all move on and forget neal, he is happy and moved on, blablabla”, so what does this makes the fans look? makes them look, that if they get what they want they will praise the show and forget the inconsistences, if they dont they will keep talking about it, the reason why peopel call haters to people that critisize the show, is bc as soon as they get want they want, they have no problems with it, but if they got what they wanted and still continue show how bad it is, then people would think, ok, so they got what they wanted, so maybe the show really sucks.
To anyone who’s watching tomorrow, hug. Even if you’re not, you get a hug too.
I think that they think that everyone on twitter is a screaming fifteen year old girl wearing a pink princess shirt and can therefore be dismissed.
I think that’s exactly right. And the idea that the opinion of a 15 year old girl wearing a pink princess shirt is something to dismiss off hand is also really telling of the sorts of attitudes A&E hold. I think the other problem — and it’s hard to distinguish it from the audience thing — is that A&E are actually pretty bad writers. They don’t seem to be able to deal with moral ambiguity with any sort of nuance, and somewhere along the way they’ve stopped addressing the fact that most of their characters are deeply problematic. I think most of the truly thoughtful, engaged core audience you’re describing that the show has inspired to create a world of fan-made art and products around OUAT wouldn’t be as thoroughly disgusted if A&E allowed for that ambiguity to be front and center. This could have taken the form of a reflection on the characters — that all of them are deeply flawed and are battling their own demons, and that’s what this show is about. Or it could have been a core part of the plot: fairytales are by nature didactically moralistic because they are simplifications, but we are going to show the real complicated, gray area stuff that happens in reality. But instead we get this tedious pandering to ships, horrid plot, and a bunch of lies from two supposedly grown men, peppered with complete and utter inability to take criticism or even address head on the inconsistencies or failed promises of their story (re: Anastasia).
They really don’t get it.
This is it exactly and it extends into every aspect of their show. Like, you mentioned Hook, but it goes to their continued PoC problem–they were getting creamed by fans and even some critics about their lack of PoC representation and how they treated their PoC characters. So what did they do? They cast a Latina Gwen and an African Merlin—and then proceeded to have Gwen raped and Merlin killed to further a white character’s plot. They think the simple act of casting two diverse characters is enough because they may hear the complaints, but they don’t listen, really and truly listen. Substitute PoC for LGBTQ or anyone not heterosexual, white, and young.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"They don’t understand fandom or social media. They think that people talking about the show is good even if people find it extremely problematic. The majority of the actors are in their late 30s. I think there is a generational divide here.
I think it’s probably part generational, part ideological. This isn’t just about social media use, it’s about what people get upset about, and whether the show runners can actually take the criticism seriously without immediately getting defensive or dismissing the critique (which A&E can’t). It seems that A&E genuinely think that what they’re writing is “feminist” by virtue of having female protagonists, and giving them occasionally “sassy” dialogue lines. And get totally pissed off when their audience suggests that well, guys, maybe that’s not quite enough anymore.
Ding Ding Ding! This right here! God forbid if anyone ever calls out the great Adam and Eddy, or dare challenge their storytelling.
I think that they think that everyone on twitter is a screaming fifteen year old girl wearing a pink princess shirt and can therefore be dismissed.
This is the most accurate depiction I think anyone’s ever given about Adam & Eddy. They believe that they’re thriving off of twilight fan girls and neglect to see that there are actual adults watching the show. I’m not too sure on ratings wise, but I think people in their mid to late twenties and above are watching this series, and the declining ratings clearly show that the General Audience are displeased with the storytelling. Baiting and shoving ships down everyone’s throats is not the way to run a show, and it’s terribly sad when your main character is more associated with a ship than as their own person with their own story and journey.
Snow White and Charming are now simply referred to as Snowing, who Adam and Eddy believe they can just kill two birds with one stone by making every one of their storylines put together. Colin O’Donoghue better be glad for his above than average looks because that is what’s selling Captain Hook, who if separated from Emma Swan, what would be his purpose? That was the same situation with Robin Hood, who also due to poor and neglected storytelling, couldn’t stand on his own as a character without piggy banking along with Zelena right off of Regina.
They really don’t get it.
This is it exactly and it extends into every aspect of their show. Like, you mentioned Hook, but it goes to their continued PoC problem–they were getting creamed by fans and even some critics about their lack of PoC representation and how they treated their PoC characters. So what did they do? They cast a Latina Gwen and an African Merlin—and then proceeded to have Gwen raped and Merlin killed to further a white character’s plot. They think the simple act of casting two diverse characters is enough because they may hear the complaints, but they don’t listen, really and truly listen. Substitute PoC for LGBTQ or anyone not heterosexual, white, and young.
I just can’t believe they’re going to let Gwen stay magically roofied….I just can’t! And Merlin, he would’ve been a great asset to have in Storybrooke! How they treated their characters were beyond disturbing, and it is the reason why I’m so nervous for them to be toying with Aladdin and Jasmine!
Adam & Eddy are Indian givers with this show…they’ll toss a token towards the people who need it, play with it for an episode or two, ruin it, and take it away.
Speaking honestly, I’ve seen better written Mickey Mouse Clubhouse Episodes with my baby boy, than what we’ve seen on OUAT from Adam and Eddy. The first two episodes this season have been great so far, but I know a dip is coming sooner or later.
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