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This is it exactly and it extends into every aspect of their show. Like, you mentioned Hook, but it goes to their continued PoC problem–they were getting creamed by fans and even some critics about their lack of PoC representation and how they treated their PoC characters. So what did they do? They cast a Latina Gwen and an African Merlin—and then proceeded to have Gwen raped and Merlin killed to further a white character’s plot. They think the simple act of casting two diverse characters is enough because they may hear the complaints, but they don’t listen, really and truly listen. Substitute PoC for LGBTQ or anyone not heterosexual, white, and young.
Exactly. They cast persons of color, but they die or are no one of consequence. They have a LGBTQ relationship, but it is so underdeveloped as to be offensive, and so disappointing in light of the possibility of Red and Mulan or Mulan and Merida or really anyone but Dorothy.
Then it is like wink wink, we did the thing? You like us now, right? This show is progressive and inclusive and feminist now? Wink wink? Right? Hello?
Oh wait, no one is there because they have lost the majority of their audience.
[adrotate group="5"]I think that’s exactly right. And the idea that the opinion of a 15 year old girl wearing a pink princess shirt is something to dismiss off hand is also really telling of the sorts of attitudes A&E hold. I think the other problem — and it’s hard to distinguish it from the audience thing — is that A&E are actually pretty bad writers. They don’t seem to be able to deal with moral ambiguity with any sort of nuance, and somewhere along the way they’ve stopped addressing the fact that most of their characters are deeply problematic. I think most of the truly thoughtful, engaged core audience you’re describing that the show has inspired to create a world of fan-made art and products around OUAT wouldn’t be as thoroughly disgusted if A&E allowed for that ambiguity to be front and center. This could have taken the form of a reflection on the characters — that all of them are deeply flawed and are battling their own demons, and that’s what this show is about. Or it could have been a core part of the plot: fairytales are by nature didactically moralistic because they are simplifications, but we are going to show the real complicated, gray area stuff that happens in reality. But instead we get this tedious pandering to ships, horrid plot, and a bunch of lies from two supposedly grown men, peppered with complete and utter inability to take criticism or even address head on the inconsistencies or failed promises of their story (re: Anastasia).
Agree completely. It is like the producers have this mindset that everyone online can be dismissed and don’t seem to be understanding that they are dismissing all women. Dismissing the fifteen year old is dismissing all of us, in my opinion. Thanks for watching, says Adam, all the time in response to real criticism.
They are terrible writers. There is no excuse for the terrible characterization and continuity. The lack of ability to keep track of anything at all. I think your idea was what they intended, to write real characters, just in a fairytale setting. They have failed in every way because they seem to have no grasp of the human experience outside of their white, male view point and even that is written outside of reality in the stylized tropes of the past, the bad boy, the prince charming. It is just terrible. There is no excuse for any of it.
I think that they think that everyone on twitter is a screaming fifteen year old girl wearing a pink princess shirt and can therefore be dismissed.
This is the most accurate depiction I think anyone’s ever given about Adam & Eddy. They believe that they’re thriving off of twilight fan girls and neglect to see that there are actual adults watching the show. I’m not too sure on ratings wise, but I think people in their mid to late twenties and above are watching this series, and the declining ratings clearly show that the General Audience are displeased with the storytelling. Baiting and shoving ships down everyone’s throats is not the way to run a show, and it’s terribly sad when your main character is more associated with a ship than as their own person with their own story and journey. Snow White and Charming are now simply referred to as Snowing, who Adam and Eddy believe they can just kill two birds with one stone by making every one of their storylines put together. Colin O’Donoghue better be glad for his above than average looks because that is what’s selling Captain Hook, who if separated from Emma Swan, what would be his purpose? That was the same situation with Robin Hood, who also due to poor and neglected storytelling, couldn’t stand on his own as a character without piggy banking along with Zelena right off of Regina.
Without a doubt most of the audience of this show is adults over 25 and the writers seem to have no awareness of this fact. Or they consider any woman younger then them to be some crazed twilight like fan. They are angering their target audience with every tweet, every interview, and every episode and don’t get it. I am not convinced they ever will get it.
I just can’t believe they’re going to let Gwen stay magically roofied….I just can’t! And Merlin, he would’ve been a great asset to have in Storybrooke! How they treated their characters were beyond disturbing, and it is the reason why I’m so nervous for them to be toying with Aladdin and Jasmine!
It is almost like the writers need to have a cork board with all the characters they are using for a season on a card and have written where each character is at at that moment. Instead, they introduce a character and then by the next week have completely forgotten about them. I know that writing is hard and that keeping everything straight and consistent is hard, but they have to do better. They will make mistakes, everyone does, but it is to the point of insanity now.
Then it is like wink wink, we did the thing? You like us now, right? This show is progressive and inclusive and feminist now? Wink wink? Right? Hello?
Right; and as long as they keep saying their show is about strong female characters or that they respect every type of diversity, then they–in their minds–don’t have to show it .
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"They have failed in every way because they seem to have no grasp of the human experience outside of their white, male view point and even that is written outside of reality in the stylized tropes of the past, the bad boy, the prince charming. It is just terrible. There is no excuse for any of it.
Lily’s Review
http://www.tvguide.com/news/once-upon-a-time-episode-3-photo-recap/?ftag=TVG_Twitter
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Was watching this and what the guy says about the movie reminded me of some of the things we say about ouat. ( has some language)
MRJ will be guest staring on Lethal Weapon tomorrow, wednesday 19th at 8pm, on Fox, best kept secret ever, no one knew until the sneak peek was released:
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/17/lethal-weapon-michael-raymond-james-clip
MRJ will be guest staring on Lethal Weapon tomorrow, wednesday 19th at 8pm, on Fox, best kept secret ever, no one knew until the sneak peek was released: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/17/lethal-weapon-michael-raymond-james-clip
It’s a good thing I’m already in love with that show! It’s hilarious!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
MRJ will be guest staring on Lethal Weapon tomorrow, wednesday 19th at 8pm, on Fox, best kept secret ever, no one knew until the sneak peek was released: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/17/lethal-weapon-michael-raymond-james-clip
It’s a good thing I’m already in love with that show! It’s hilarious!
Me too, even tho he will probably die or goes to jail, but im happy for this secret so well kept, i mean this was filmed 6 weeks ago, the prep was 8 weeks ago and no one knew he would be there. But im happy that i get to see him again and i dont have to worry about ships, lol.
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