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I don’t know why in Emma’s fantasy world – outside of want to wish herself been widowed by Neal (which makes no sense, wouldn’t you rather he be alive, even if just for the sake of your son?) – why she would wish for that world to follow archaic beliefs around child-legitimacy that she certainly doesn’t subscribe to herself?
Excellent point. Then again this is an Emma who was a wimpy wet noodle.
It comes down to this: our questions are pointless, and nothing makes sense.
(I give the writers a lot of well deserved grief but at least they’ve been good enough to give me actual quotes from the show to explain this nonsense)
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Also, if Henry had been born out of wedlock in the Enchanted Forest, he would have been stigmatized as illegitimate, not honored as a knight of the realm or an heir to the throne.
Well, it is Emma’s wish-world, anything goes I assume. But even if it wasn’t, while we have heard the titles Kings and Queens, we’ve never been shown how their titles are passed. Legitimacy may only an issue if the paternity is unknown *and* relevant to a child’s status. Maternity is not in question, and the mother is a princess. It would be different if a woman was claiming to have gotten pregnant by royalty (like Cora). And, unless Neal Jr is around – and males are first-in-line, then Emma is next-in-line for the Throne(s). (Who’s kingdom are the ruling, and who is the reigning Monarch anyways? Snowing’s Kingdom, or James’ Kingdom? Or both?). I don’t know why in Emma’s fantasy world – outside of want to wish herself been widowed by Neal (which makes no sense, wouldn’t you rather he be alive, even if just for the sake of your son?) – why she would wish for that world to follow archaic beliefs around child-legitimacy that she certainly doesn’t subscribe to herself?
Very easy answer, bc unlike Sean, They didn’t get the actor.
Also, if this is the wish from the birthday day, was never about being savior was about probably not be alone , wanting to be with her parents, and never gave up her son, this wish on the pilot, was a empathetic wasn’t Neal biggest fan, yet on Season 1 she made up a fairy tale story to Henry how his father died a hero when he was a firefighter, do in a way this AU fits into pilot Emma feelings, also if Hook Will show up old, with long beard and long white hair, Will fit into Emma description of how did seen hook on her mind based on Disney movies, and would fit into Rumple she meet s1 , how she didn’t trust him, reason, why no zelena, belle, hook on this 1st au, she didn’t meet them in s1. Her wish in pilot was never about savior,was about being alone.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Very easy answer, bc unlike Sean, They didn’t get the actor.
Agreed. The writers either couldn’t get MRJ to come back, or they feared the retribution of the CS crowd (as they’re prone to do). Hence, they did homage to Baelfire because he was the original character they made and the person who was always intended for Emma. However, he’s gone, and the actor probably won’t be coming back (unlike Sean Maguire or Eion Bailey). Hence, Prince Baelfire died a hero, he’s honored, he’s missed, but he’s not coming back (less the Hook crowd hound the writers too much).
But even if it wasn’t, while we have heard the titles Kings and Queens, we’ve never been shown how their titles are passed. Legitimacy may only an issue if the paternity is unknown *and* relevant to a child’s status. Maternity is not in question, and the mother is a princess. It would be different if a woman was claiming to have gotten pregnant by royalty (like Cora). And, unless Neal Jr is around – and males are first-in-line, then Emma is next-in-line for the Throne(s).
I’m not sure everything in the AU was really Emma’s wish or the price of it. Would Emma have really wished to be a singing princess who surrendered her kingdom to a perceived enemy? I don’t think so since it was the price of the wish (“all magic comes with a price.”). I was actually going off of real history and historic fantasy. Usually, in that genre of historic fantasy or fiction from medieval times, legitimacy is a big issue. In medieval times, people, especially royals, really cared about whether a child’s parents were married and whether or not the mother was cuckolding the father. A child had to be legitimate in the eyes of the law to inherit the title, throne, castle, or what-have-you.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I say, MRJ probably said no to this bad fan fiction and toxic fandom, bc adam said that they had a story thought for Neal in this au and I like how he almost says Emma and Neal are meant to be in every version of the show, now shut up before I get even more annoyed
no. His alternate history got him to present day Emma by a different route
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) December 7, 2016
also adam said Neal never meet the darlings in this version,
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
I like how he almost says Emma and Neal are meant to be in every version of the show
It’s almost like it was fate, destiny, or whatever you want to call it, that brought Emma and Baelfire together and that they were meant to meet for a reason, no matter what. As usual, Adam’s explanation makes no sense, however, because had Bae not met the Darlings then he wouldn’t have gone to NL and he would’ve passed away in Victorian London and never made it back to the EF. Bae needed to be in NL for a century and then return to the EF in order to meet Emma and father Henry. While I like that Adam pretty much confirmed that Emma and Baelfire were fated to fall in love and have Henry no matter what, as usual, Adam’s (lack of a coherent) explanation doesn’t do the story justice.
Moreover, I also think that perhaps Baelfire was always meant to die (as Emma told Henry in True North that his dad had died a hero). However, I also think it was supposed to be Baelfire, not Hook, who was then meant to be resurrected (as the name Baelfire from Wheel of Time strongly suggests). Emma and Bae were strongly paralleled with Will and Anastasia (whose name means resurrection in Russian and Greek).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I also think it was supposed to be Baelfire, not Hook, who was then meant to be resurrected (as the name Baelfire from Wheel of Time strongly suggests). Emma and Bae were strongly paralleled with Will and Anastasia (whose name means resurrection in Russian and Greek).
Oh wow! That makes so much sense, if it was always supposed to be Baelfire that became the Dark One- died and was then resurrected by Emma. Perhaps it was only because they couldnt get MRJ back that they went with it being Hook..Ok while it’s nice that Adam’s all “SwanFire meeting was destiny!” in that tweet…they STILL went and had him die in the WishWorld without Henry even meeting him which, given that it’s supposedly Emma’s WishWorld, is infuriating. There is actually a real simple solution here, writers. When Henry wishes his father were there Emma could just say “Baelfire is off [insert irrelevant plot point here] and even though he and I are no longer together I know he’s proud of you today, Henry.”
Look, I solved it. Bae’s alive and plays an active role in Henry’s life, Emma and Neal aren’t together in order to appease the shippers on the other side of this great divide, Regina is still the one who saves Emma from the WishWorld to appease still the OTHER shippers, and Hook will likely show up in the WishWorld and make moon eyes at Emma (and vice verse) to give the ratings/ad buyers/ABC soulless vampires their CS fix and everyone leaves before Bae comes back to WishWorld Casa Charming, thus getting MRJ out of having to appear.
My god. Why don’t I write this show?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@Slurpeez , Adam is right, he didnt said no NVL, he said no darlings. He would still have gone to NVL, bc on 304 was shown that Pan wanted to take him there, so maybe there was no magic bean here and Pan simply took Bae there and then some centuries after, maybe Hook took him to EF? Or the shadow took him there.
@RG good idea, just one problem, would be illogical to fans, Neal alibe and not brought back to SB and RH brought back, also, if Neal was away in some kingdom business, with the king and queen dead im sure he would have to return, they wanted to avoid the issues of fans asking why not Neal in SB and only RH, but like i said if the 610 was the end of the Au then would be fine, but it wont, like i said with them saying they wanted MRJ to return to film some SF scenes, my only thing is he said no, so they had to arrange something.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
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