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March 12, 2017 at 11:53 pm #334173
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ParticipantWell Hyde’s land and Alice’s land and the Victorian Era land and i think the Land Without Color all had electricity.
I think that maybe some of that location though was the same and other stuff was just added in.
[adrotate group="5"]March 13, 2017 at 12:05 am #334176TheWatcher
ParticipantYeah, but those lands were all like, what? Circa 1800’ss-ish, right? The Enchanted Forest seems to be set around the medieval period. I don’t see why they would have electricity that isn’t shooting out of people’s fingertips. And its like not even just lightbulbs, they’ve got freaking amusement park attractions and rides, guys.
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ParticipantI’m going to reply to something RG wrote in another thread about Hook’s crime because I don’t want to stir up something outside of our safe space.
RumplesGirl wrote: To me this shows the writer’s worst instincts. I was prepared to let George be the killer because while it would have been predictable, the overall story of Robert’s journey to find his lost son and bring him home was charming (no pun) and heartwarming and matched nicely with the likes of Rumple/Neal and present day Charming and Emma. But no. The writers have to go and have a big tweetable twist like Hook killing Robert and then wanting to propose to Emma. It’s the worst inclination to not let sleeping dogs lie but constantly stir up more drama that ultimately leads nowhere.
This “twist” really is needless drama at this point and it stirs up pointless argumentation. Even though I kinda expected Hook would be the one to kill Charming’s dad, I actually liked Hook this episode in the present day, but the writers just had to go there and drudge up Hook’s dark past. I think he’s never really able to leave it behind completely, even if he claims to be a “good” pirate now. (Is that even a thing?) Yes, we already knew that Hook was a lying, thieving, murderous pirate in the past, but now it’s somehow more personal to the blessed family because it was Charming’s father and Emma’s grandfather whom Hook murdered? To me, it’s no different than when Hook killed his other victims. My issue with Hook proposing to Emma isn’t only Hook’s dark past since we already knew Hook murdered people in cold blood. Heck, we’ve seen it on screen when he killed his own dad, and Hook told Emma he collected his rings off of his dead victims. Emma knows she’s dating a serial killer. It’s her choice I guess. (Not that I endorse dating murderers).
Like RG wrote, this move shows the writers’ worst instincts. I just don’t think that it’s a good storytelling move, especially if the writers want the audience to sympathize with Hook as a “reformed” pirate who really has changed and is trying to better himself. Why though? It doesn’t make sense to remind the audience of the misdeeds of Hook if they want the audience to root for him as Emma’s intended future husband. If anything, I think it has the exact opposite effect on the general audience (not talking about Hook fans here). I don’t expect anything to come of this revelation either beyond a light slap on the wrist for Hook, but I don’t think it’ll win over anyone who may have been starting to see him in a new light, which isn’t good if the writers want people to root for Hook and Emma (unless the writers don’t want us to root for them, which I doubt at this stage).
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March 13, 2017 at 1:43 am #334187hjbau
ParticipantI don’t get it either. Do they want us to like Hook? They have him be a murdering, serial killer who lies to Emma all the time. Who hides his past and has tried to murder the entire family. None of Emma’s family really thinks well of him. Then they have an episode where they pretend like he is helping Charming and then at the end he finds out he killed Charming’s father and he lies about it again.
Nothing will come of us, but this is why i say the most logical thing to happen is for Emma and Hook to just talk about all the stuff between them and for them to then break up.
March 13, 2017 at 1:57 am #334188Bar Farer
ParticipantDoes he even feel bad? Because to me it seems like the only thing he cares solely about himself and what he can loose from telling it.
Emma’s reaction should be something like “I know everything that you did because you did it to me” (Buffy to Angel 3.10) instead she’ll say “well you’re a hero now so who cares?!!”.
These are they’re thought about how to do redemption?
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March 13, 2017 at 9:59 am #334203RumplesGirl
KeymasterBecause to me it seems like the only thing he cares solely about himself and what he can loose from telling it.
THAT
The promo focuses on him maybe losing Emma, not the guilt he feels over taking another life. Just like his mementos he keeps from previous kills (creepy!)–they are to remind him not to lose his “good nature” not because he cares that he killed people
:-/ up until the last moment of the show I was actually enjoying quite a bit of it. And then the writers just couldn’t help themselves. *points up* everything Slurpeez said.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 13, 2017 at 11:17 am #334206Rainbow
ParticipantLook at the notes, below the pics…………… agree!!!!!!!!!!!!
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March 13, 2017 at 9:23 pm #334227Slurpeez
ParticipantI don’t get it either. Do they want us to like Hook? They have him be a murdering, serial killer who lies to Emma all the time. Who hides his past and has tried to murder the entire family. None of Emma’s family really thinks well of him. Then they have an episode where they pretend like he is helping Charming and then at the end he finds out he killed Charming’s father and he lies about it again.
If they do want us to root for Hook, they’re not doing a stellar job because we keep getting mixed messages. I used to think the writers were writing CS as a cautionary tale (and some part of me still does), but maybe they’re just trying to have their cake and eat it, too. They want to make drama for drama’s sake by having Hook and Emma have yet another hurdle before they make it to the alter, but the end result is to remind the general audience why Hook and Emma never should have gotten together romantically in the first place.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
March 15, 2017 at 8:37 am #334291hjbau
ParticipantThey really did do a bad job with Hook’s reaction. He didn’t even seem to care that he just found out he murdered his supposed friend’s father. All he seems to care about is how it might effect his relationship with Emma. He doesn’t seem to be giving any thought to how David might feel about it. I just don’t get how this show can have a flashback to someone murdering another character’s father and then expect us to feel sorry for the murderer. That is really what the show seems like it is trying to sell.
March 15, 2017 at 10:26 am #334299thedarkonedearie
ParticipantThis “twist” really is needless drama at this point and it stirs up pointless argumentation. Even though I kinda expected Hook would be the one to kill Charming’s dad, I actually liked Hook this episode in the present day, but the writers just had to go there and drudge up Hook’s dark past. I think he’s never really able to leave it behind completely, even if he claims to be a “good” pirate now. (Is that even a thing?) Yes, we already knew that Hook was a lying, thieving, murderous pirate in the past, but now it’s somehow more personal to the blessed family because it was Charming’s father and Emma’s grandfather whom Hook murdered? To me, it’s no different than when Hook killed his other victims. My issue with Hook proposing to Emma isn’t only Hook’s dark past since we already knew Hook murdered people in cold blood. Heck, we’ve seen it on screen when he killed his own dad, and Hook told Emma he collected his rings off of his dead victims. Emma knows she’s dating a serial killer. It’s her choice I guess. (Not that I endorse dating murderers).
I think this will end up being more about the Charming family than about Hook. Can they truly forgive him and move on. They talk a good game about people getting redemption and a happy ending if you deserve one and you change your life around. Well let’s see how they feel when they find out Hook killed Charming’s dad. Nothing has changed. They knew Hook killed people in the past. But let’s see if they change their tune now that it’s a personal. I don’t think it’s needless drama. I think it’s intriguing and I’m interested to see how everyone handles it. I just feel bad for Hook at this point.
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