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That’s a loaded statement though. If Baelfire was manipulated by the darkness of the dagger, which has shown it’s influence before, it’s hard to say that it was Baelfire’s fault, or even that Rumple was wrong for saying that about his son.
So, shockingly, I think I agree with you. 😉 I have no problem believing that Rumple, in that moment, believes it with all his heart and by and large he’s not wrong. First of all it’s hard not to think of one’s child as essentially good. Sometimes that’s just willful obliviousness and refusal to acknowledge the facts, but I don’t think this is the case here. Except for this instance, Nealfire always leaned towards being a good, compassion, courageous person. If we liken the dagger/dark magic to a drug — as they’ve always done on this show — then we have to assume that the decisions made under its influence are not necessarily in line with a person’s character. In other words, if, like a drug, dark magic profoundly alters a person’s brain chemistry, then it’s not hard to believe that their actions might be grossly different from their ‘usual’ selves.
I hate the Baelfire retcon, but it doesn’t ruin the character for me because I still think he was a good person. The problem is that I have to do a lot of work to explain to myself what they’re trying to do. As I see it, there are two main problems: sloppy worldbuilding and consequent retconning of the dagger, and Baelfire ordering to kill Beowulf. This part especially is either just lazy, sloppy writing, or a conscious effort to take the character off the “pedestal,” or a combo of the two. Much like what they did to Snowing at one point.
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On people who are already impure of heart, like Cora (in this case, already corrupt and literally heartless). But we’ve never seen it exert any measure of influence to this radical extent on someone who was pure/good/light whatever.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"On people who are already impure of heart, like Cora (in this case, already corrupt and literally heartless). But we’ve never seen it exert any measure of influence to this radical extent on someone who was pure/good/light whatever.
It’s true. But someone may have to remind me of the storyline with Snowing doing bad things to Maleficent in order to protect Emma. I know it’s not the dagger, but the whole point of that arc was that even good people make mistakes when tempted by darkness….or at least that’s how I remembered it.
But other than that, you do have a point. Bc with Hook, he still had some darkness in him buried down and the darkness brought that out. But Bae did not have that. I’m trying to remember if other characters had this happen to them. Not necessarily the dagger, but darkness in general. Zelena? I’m foggy on her origin story for some reason. The Snow Queen? What turned her evil again? did she get tempted by the darkness? Bc she was actually a good person deep down and sacrificed herself. She just wanted her sister’s approval if my memory sevres me correctly. Ursula? Cruella? Once she obtained the power to control animals, she used that power for evil. But remember evil is not born, it is made. So evil and power influences others. The author? Once he got the power, he abused it. Even Emma got a taste when she almost killed Lily in the street. So for me, the darkness controlling even the nicest of boys for just one second to make one bad decision, makes some sense to me.
which has shown it’s influence befor
On people who are already impure of heart, like Cora (in this case, already corrupt and literally heartless). But we’ve never seen it exert any measure of influence to this radical extent on someone who was pure/good/light whatever.
Sigh…It’s times like this I miss you joining the full discussions, like in 3B.
I haven’t even gotten the chance to watch the episode, yet, but I’ve heard all about what happened. Not looking forward to it.
I, uh, actually addressed it, when posting the latest (SF-focused!) installment of my long fic:
radical extent on someone who was pure/good/light whatever.
Not only pure, but a child, it was a retcon, even people that disliked Bae/Neal said was a retcon for the character.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
radical extent on someone who was pure/good/light whatever.
Not only pure, but a child, it was a retcon, even people that disliked Bae/Neal said was a retcon f the character.
Wow, that’s saying something.
radical extent on someone who was pure/good/light whatever.
Not only pure, but a child, it was a retcon, even people that disliked Bae/Neal said was a retcon for the character.
This speaks incredible volumes!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I hate the Baelfire retcon, but it doesn’t ruin the character for me because I still think he was a good person. The problem is that I have to do a lot of work to explain to myself what they’re trying to do. As I see it, there are two main problems: sloppy worldbuilding and consequent retconning of the dagger, and Baelfire ordering to kill Beowulf. This part especially is either just lazy, sloppy writing, or a conscious effort to take the character off the “pedestal,” or a combo of the two. Much like what they did to Snowing at one point.
Pretty much THAT. I really didn’t like the retcon, but I’ll always love Baelfire. This new development seems so left field and OOC for me, but sadly I’m not surprised. For some reason, these writers feel the need to darken our heros — Snow, Charming, Emma, Robin, and Belle — to make the other villains look better by comparison.
So, it doesn’t come as much surprise that the writers would rake Baelfire through the mud, despite his being dead for 3 seasons. Sadly, I think the writers fail to realize that they’ve ended up throwing their show under the bus as a result. I predict the ratings will continue to go down this season and become even more fractional. I wouldn’t be surprised if we hit 0.6 by half way through S6b. About shoddy world building, I agree. Besides the former dark ones who felt the allure of the dagger, the only people who’ve been shown to like the power of controlling the dark one were pretty much Cora and Zelena, but they were already power hungry and evil. But we haven’t been given much, if any, evidence of others who liked the power the came with controlling the dagger. Neither Regina nor Belle really showed much evidence that they liked contolling the dark one. This isn’t LOTR where the ring actually spoke to anyone who held it. The only ones affected by the lure of the dark one dagger are those who’ve been cursed. *head desk*
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I really didn’t like the retcon, but I’ll always love Baelfire.
Right, agreed. The only thing it does is prove that either 1) the writers don’t understand/remember their characters or 2) if they do understand/remember they don’t care about those same characters. Whatever serves the plot of the moment is how they write their characters.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Remember when this show was really about families working out their issues, about coming together again, and finding healing?
You’re my happy ending.
The things we haven’t thought about in years still have the ability to make us cry.
Don’t mind me. *sniff*
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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