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At this point in the show, nothing surprises me! We all know Baelfire would not have purposefully loosed his father on a man, out of spite….why Adam & Eddy wrote it like that is simple, they’re incompetent storytellers who love to retcon.
Now here’s some happy gifs of Bae to lighten the mood in this thread…
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Saw this post floating around Tumblr…
https://takingbackouat.tumblr.com/post/158609935759/let-us-remember-the-real-baelfireneal-cassidy
Also, @darkonederie, i get that you love the show and so is difficult for you to admit the show flaws, but there are flaws, and when even fans that dislike Neal say is OOC and was a retcon that says something about the episode, is not just us that liked Nealfire, there are also other fans that disliked that character saying the same thing and just because the show showed it, doesn`t mean that we have to go along with and say , oh no big deal, move along, and i have to say that besides this retcon, there were other bad things in this epi, from Timelines that were wrong, and so on, the message also for a show to see a kid using a dagger to ask someone to kill another person was bad, btw others messages they showed in this episode.
Ahh, I thought we could get through this without calling people out in a negative way. But alas….I certainly know the show’s flaws. I don’t find it difficult to admit them. I do however find it difficult to post in a forum that has more negativity than Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. But that’s neither here nor there.
I don’t care if other fans who didn’t like Nealfire say it was OOC. Why would I care about that? I’m telling you what I think. And once again, you’re bringing a ship into the conversation. I also never said it was no big deal, and to move along. I said I get why fans of Neal are annoyed bc it changed the entire dynamic of Rumple and Bae. All I have said was that I thought it was in character bc of the memory potion. I didn’t agree with the memory potion and that it should just wipe away any darkness Bae would have had, but that is what the show is asking us to believe so that’s what I’m going with.
Can you explain specifically how the timeline was wrong? Can you explain specifically a flashback before this episode where Bae was extremely against magic.
Also as a side note, I get that some people want a safe haven for this thread to express their annoyances with the SF dynamic, but you should also be willing to engage with others who have differing opinions. At times, people aren’t being very inclusive. Looking at you, Rainbow. Just because I had a different opinion than yours, you felt the need to call me out and put words in my mouth.
I enjoy debating things with people. It’s why I still post on this specific thread. But my goodness….
Also, @darkonederie, i get that you love the show and so is difficult for you to admit the show flaws, but there are flaws, and when even fans that dislike Neal say is OOC and was a retcon that says something about the episode, is not just us that liked Nealfire, there are also other fans that disliked that character saying the same thing and just because the show showed it, doesn`t mean that we have to go along with and say , oh no big deal, move along, and i have to say that besides this retcon, there were other bad things in this epi, from Timelines that were wrong, and so on, the message also for a show to see a kid using a dagger to ask someone to kill another person was bad, btw others messages they showed in this episode.
Ahh, I thought we could get through this without calling people out in a negative way. But alas….I certainly know the show’s flaws. I don’t find it difficult to admit them. I do however find it difficult to post in a forum that has more negativity than Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. But that’s neither here nor there.
I don’t care if other fans who didn’t like Nealfire say it was OOC. Why would I care about that? I’m telling you what I think. And once again, you’re bringing a ship into the conversation. I also never said it was no big deal, and to move along. I said I get why fans of Neal are annoyed bc it changed the entire dynamic of Rumple and Bae. All I have said was that I thought it was in character bc of the memory potion. I didn’t agree with the memory potion and that it should just wipe away any darkness Bae would have had, but that is what the show is asking us to believe so that’s what I’m going with.
Can you explain specifically how the timeline was wrong? Can you explain specifically a flashback before this episode where Bae was extremely against magic.
Also as a side note, I get that some people want a safe haven for this thread to express their annoyances with the SF dynamic, but you should also be willing to engage with others who have differing opinions. At times, people aren’t being very inclusive. Looking at you, Rainbow. Just because I had a different opinion than yours, you felt the need to call me out and put words in my mouth.
I enjoy debating things with people. It’s why I still post on this specific thread. But my goodness….
I get where you’re coming from, but I think people misunderstand this thread. Sometimes people don’t want to hear counter opinions about what they love or hate, and that is fine. That’s why there is tagging system at tumblr. I think that perhaps opening a new thread “was Baelfire OOC?” would have been more welcomed. Think about if there had been a thread “positive things about OUAT” and I would have posted negative things, it would not have been welcomed.
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I think that perhaps opening a new thread “was Baelfire OOC?” would have been more welcomed. Think about if there had been a thread “positive things about OUAT” and I would have posted negative things, it would not have been welcomed.
Yup, fair point. But then the thread shouldn’t be called Emma + Bealfire = Swanfire. It should be called, “Only post positive things about Neal, negative things about Hook, and how the show hasn’t written Neal right since they killed him off.” Then I would stay away from any counter opinions. But as far as I know, this thread is generally about Neal/Baelfire and Emma. At least that is what the thread title suggests. So me posting why I felt he was not necessarily OOC should not be unwelcome. And for the most part, it wasn’t. Again, I like a good debate where people can back up things they say etc. It was Rainbow that got under my skin.
And once again, you’re bringing a ship into the conversation. I also never said it was no big deal, and to move along. I
No, i brought SF to the conversation, bc this is a SF thread, and people here are always blamed, by calling negative things on the show, bc “our ship didnt worked" that is why i said Sf fans and gave examples of other fans, to say that the fact we say was OOC , was not due to a ship, was due to a character trace that was set on S1, where Bae, was always against magic and in fact he even said that he would prefer to fight the OW and maybe die than having Rumple becaming the Dark one, that by the way, he did became when he killed Zozo, or whatever his name was, he didn´t went full dark, because of Bae.
Can you explain specifically how the timeline was wrong? Can you explain specifically a flashback before this episode where Bae was extremely against magic.
The timeline of the show, how is that Rumple served in the 2nd OW as a younger self and was in the 1st OW with Bae, as a 14 year old. And you can see all Rumple and bae epis/flashbacks in S1 and S2.
Also as a side note, I get that some people want a safe haven for this thread to express their annoyances with the SF dynamic, but you should also be willing to engage with others who have differing opinions. At times, people aren’t being very inclusive. Looking at you, Rainbow. Just because I had a different opinion than yours, you felt the need to call me out and put words in my mouth.
Also, i was giving my opinion, just like you were giving your, i didn´t call you out, i simply said was ok, to say yeah, "this was weird" not just about this Bae thing, but about other things that that the show has shown in the past and that we have posted here and call out the show for their mistakes, the other part about ” we should just move on and accept it" was general, not specific for you, bc is not the 1st time that we get people saying that "u dont have to say anything bad, you are only sad bc your ship didn´t worked out, so you can´t see all the positive things the show has, but the show has positive things,and that because is a show and we should just say node and say,is ok, we cannot give negative opinions about it”.
About the threads, there are individual character threads or at least there were in the past, one for each important characters, and i believe there is one for baelfire or Neal, or maybe is Nealfire, there is even one i think for Rumple and Bae relation, if i`m not mistaken, of course all depends if they they still exist, since people stopped using them long time ago, once people used to talk about the characters in their own threads during hiatus, but after, people left and others simply get tired of posting stuff.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
*sigh* I’m at work and can only respond a tiny bit. So bullet point style.
–This is a shipping thread. It has always been one. Every ship has one. The fact that those aren’t as active is neither here nor there.
–Following point one, it will always be pro Neal, pro swanfire, and usually not in favor of any other Emma or Neal ship.
–I personally welcome debate and generally don’t mind when others enter and discuss so long as it remains civil and there is no fighting or provoking. Not saying this happened here.
–In general it might be best to create episode threads for questions like baelfire and ooc to maintain forum peace but I’ve had no huge issues with the past few pages. I explained my rationale to DO. He explained his to me. It’s conversation.
–“more negativity than the Trump campaign” is a bit far. I’ve tried my best over six years. This entire fandom is a wasteland.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"About the threads, there are individual character threads or at least there were in the past, one for each important characters, and i believe there is one for baelfire or Neal, or maybe is Nealfire, there is even one i think for Rumple and Bae relation, if i`m not mistaken, of course all depends if they they still exist, since people stopped using them long time ago, once people used to talk about the characters in their own threads during hiatus, but after, people left and others simply get tired of posting stuff.
I only responded bc someone in this thread said Neal was OOC. So I responded and said I didn’t think he was and I was generally interested and confused why people thought he was. So it’s not like this has only been about specifically the SF ship. It’s been about specific characters, Neal, and Emma, sometimes separately, like in this case. So everything I have said has been relevant to this thread.
Also, i was giving my opinion, just like you were giving your, i didn´t call you out
Also, @darkonederie, i get that you love the show and so is difficult for you to admit the show flaws
That’s not calling me out? That’s the definition of passive aggression.
The timeline of the show, how is that Rumple served in the 2nd OW as a younger self and was in the 1st OW with Bae, as a 14 year old. And you can see all Rumple and bae epis/flashbacks in S1 and S2.
Was Bae supposed to be 14 in the first Ogre War when Rumple fled and broke his leg? I thought Bae was younger and in this episode for the second Ogre War when Rumple is the DO and kills all the Ogres, Bae was a little older. Correct me if I’m wrong. And I’ve seen all of the flashbacks from the first couple seasons. I was asking the thread if anyone could remember a specific flashback where Bae was younger than in this flashback from this episode where he was vehemently against magic. This episode made it seem like the flashbacks were shortly after Rumple became the DO and I don’t recall Bae being super against magic until Rumple started abusing it. So if that’s the case, the timeline was not affected. It’s why I was asking.
“more negativity than the Trump campaign” is a bit far. I’ve tried my best over six years. This entire fandom is a wasteland.
True. Nothing is as negative as that.
Was Bae supposed to be 14 in the first Ogre War when Rumple fled and broke his leg?
Bae was just a baby if not a newborn when Rump broke his leg. I think at the end of the episode is when they name him so he must not have been that old. No where close to 14. It’s a definitely a continuity error.
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