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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • March 22, 2017 at 3:37 pm #334846
    thedarkonedearie
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    Bae was just a baby if not a newborn when Rump broke his leg. I think at the end of the episode is when they name him so he must not have been that old. No where close to 14. It’s a definitely a continuity error.

    So maybe not necessarily a timeline error but at the very least, a miscast error.  Should have been someone that looked a little younger.  But for all we know, the writers may want us to think he’s actually younger than the actor’s age suggests.  After all, that’s what they have been doing with Henry right? lols.

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    March 22, 2017 at 3:48 pm #334847
    Rainbow
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    Was Bae supposed to be 14 in the first Ogre War when Rumple fled and broke his leg?

    No, Bae was not even born when Rumple served at the Second Ogre War, after he broke his leg he returned home Bae was just born, then 14 years have passed until now, so if this episode is set on the First Ogre war, how is that Rumple was already DO and Bae is already 14 years, if he was not even born at the 1st OW? So this show that was a mistake and proves the writers have no knowledge of their own timeline and is their job to know this, to have a set timeline.

    That’s not calling me out?  That’s the definition of passive aggression.

    That is not calling you out, that is point it out something, in fact i could have said something to anyone on this thread and in fact i even say that to my friends and even sometimes happen to me, in fact my friends already said that to me, regarding somethings, maybe i forgot to add the world “understand”, but that is something that we human beings do, when we love something or someone we dont see or refuse to see the flaws on the things or persons we love, that is one of the traits of loving something, in fact, there is a wording here in my country that say" Eyes that dont see, heart that doesn`t suffer”, that is something everyone does, so like i said is not calling you out, was pointing a human characteristic.

    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

    March 22, 2017 at 4:43 pm #334850
    thedarkonedearie
    Participant

    That is not calling you out, that is point it out something, in fact i could have said something to anyone on this thread and in fact i even say that to my friends and even sometimes happen to me, in fact my friends already said that to me, regarding somethings, maybe i forgot to add the world “understand”, but that is something that we human beings do, when we love something or someone we dont see or refuse to see the flaws on the things or persons we love, that is one of the traits of loving something, in fact, there is a wording here in my country that say” Eyes that dont see, heart that doesn`t suffer”, that is something everyone does, so like i said is not calling you out, was pointing a human characteristic.

    Saying it is difficult for me to accept the show’s flaws is not only an assumption, but a criticism…..and a snide remark.    Maybe you can pull that with someone who didn’t study English in college but I could detect your tone a mile away.  If I have never said that I have trouble accepting a show’s flaws, then when you say something like, “I know you find it difficult accepting a show’s flaws, but……blah blah,” it is not genuine.  It’s sarcasm because you are basically making fun of me for NOT being able to recognize the show’s flaws or refusing to do so bc I love it so much.

    No, Bae was not even born when Rumple served at the Second Ogre War, after he broke his leg he returned home Bae was just born, then 14 years have passed until now, so if this episode is set on the First Ogre war, how is that Rumple was already DO and Bae is already 14 years, if he was not even born at the 1st OW? So this show that was a mistake and proves the writers have no knowledge of their own timeline and is their job to know this, to have a set timeline.

    I was under the impression that this was the second Ogres War in this episode.  The first was when he deserted and broke his leg when Bae was an infant.  The second is when he was the DO and killed all the Ogres.  Why are you assuming the war we saw this episode was the first Ogres War and not the second.  If it was the first, then it makes literally zero sense and you are right.  But I think it’s supposed to be the second which would make the timeline fine.  Bae should look younger but other than that, it should be fine.

    March 22, 2017 at 4:46 pm #334852
    Jiminy’s Journal
    Participant

    The impression I got from “Desperate Souls” and “Manhattan” is that it’s the same war (that’s how long it’s been going on), with the second being the one in “Skin Deep,” and the third being the one in S2.

    March 22, 2017 at 4:48 pm #334854
    thedarkonedearie
    Participant

    So kind of like the Cold War?  So if that’s the case, the timeline wasn’t affected.

    March 22, 2017 at 5:43 pm #334857
    Rainbow
    Participant

    Saying it is difficult for me to accept the show’s flaws is not only an assumption, but a criticism…..and a snide remark.    Maybe you can pull that with someone who didn’t study English in college but I could detect your tone a mile away.  If I have never said that I have trouble accepting a show’s flaws, then when you say something like, “I know you find it difficult accepting a show’s flaws, but……blah blah,” it is not genuine.  It’s sarcasm because you are basically making fun of me for NOT being able to recognize the show’s flaws or refusing to do so bc I love it so much.

    Maybe it come out like that, because English was not my 1st language, so the language barrier, may have fail that way, but i was not being sarcastic, i was just saying something, not with intention of being sarcastic, sorry if that was how you understood it.

    Why are you assuming the war we saw this episode was the first Ogres War and not the second.  If it was the first, then it makes literally zero sense and you are right.

    Because appears on the episode, First Ogre war, in fact on the sneak peak thread of that epi, i pointed that out, asked how many OW existed, because i thought was always the same war and i didn`t understood why were they saying 1st OW when only one existed and was over when Rumple ended it, and all the other stuff were random attacks at villages( belle case), but not actually Wars, at least that is how i thought, but then someone said to me that there were 3 OW, one long time ago that was this one with Beowulf or the one from Sneak peek, the Second one that was when Rumple was young and went to serve there and had at least 14 years duration and then a 3rd one when Belle and Rumple meet, although i think by now, kids were not force to serve the war.

    Which means then, that the 1st OW happened way before Bae was even Born, so he could not been there and neither did DO Rumple.

    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

    March 22, 2017 at 6:16 pm #334860
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    I was under the impression that this was the second Ogres War in this episode.  The first was when he deserted and broke his leg when Bae was an infant.

    They flashed “first Ogres war” on the screen at the very beginning which was when Rumple broke his leg, before Bae was born. It apparently lasted a long time in spite of the fact that Rumple “killed them all” and in The Return says he ended the war.

    The impression I got from “Desperate Souls” and “Manhattan” is that it’s the same war (that’s how long it’s been going on), with the second being the one in “Skin Deep,” and the third being the one in S2.

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    From what I understand, the second one was actually with Granny and her brothers.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 22, 2017 at 6:26 pm #334861
    Rainbow
    Participant

    the second one was actually with Granny and her brothers.

    The granny was the second one?, Bc when i made that question on the sneak peak thread, people told me, that the Granny and belle were the 3rd one, this was the 1st one and Rumple Served and Bae was born during the 2nd one so, which one is correct? and how long last each OW and what are the differences btw them, bc like they said on S1, Rumple ended the war reason why i thought only one exsited and the Grnny and Beel were random attacks on villages, so not actual wars, this was simple if they simply say “Ogre war”, just like they now say long time ago, without giving any hint of time.

    "I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

    March 22, 2017 at 7:48 pm #334864
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster
    RumplesGirl wrote:

    the second one was actually with Granny and her brothers.

    The granny was the second one?, Bc when i made that question on the sneak peak thread, people told me, that the Granny and belle were the 3rd one, this was the 1st one and Rumple Served and Bae was born during the 2nd one so, which one is correct

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    That’s what I thought too but the wikia claims Granny is the second, something I checked only after the episode aired.

    Nearly threescore years ago, I was a child with six older brothers. Big as oak trees, all of them veterans of the Second Ogres War.

    So I guess:

    First Ogres War = Rumple broke his leg, Baelfire is born

    First Ogres War = Rumple becomes the Dark One and saves Bae

    Second Ogres War = About 65-70 years before the First Dark Curse is cast; Granny loses her brothers

    Third Ogres War = Approx 5 years before the First Dark Curse is cast; Belle goes with Rumple

    Fourth Ogres War = Snow and Emma in the EF, s2.

    It’s really unclear how long each lasted.  They really didn’t need to flash “first ogres war” on the screen at all. It’s clear through the dialogue that this is the one Rumple ended after becoming the Dark One to save Bae; just call it “ogres war” and the audience will understand that we’re in the very far past.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 23, 2017 at 9:48 am #334882
    thedarkonedearie
    Participant

    Uhh talk about confusing…..well given what Rumple’s Girl laid out, is there still a timeline error?  If the First Ogres War lasted a while, then there should be no issues right?

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