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Uhh talk about confusing…..well given what Rumple’s Girl laid out, is there still a timeline error? If the First Ogres War lasted a while, then there should be no issues right?
I don’t think so? It’s still seems like a bit of a stretch that the First Ogres War lasted from before Rumple left for war (and given how easy it was for Rumple to enlist, I think we can hazard a guess that the War was already well under way) until Baelfire was 8/9 but it’s not 100% outside the realm of possibility and it actually has some historical precedent.
For me it comes back to what @nevermore was saying: I shouldn’t have to miles of mental legwork to rationalize everything from the timeline to character motivation. Certainly not after 6 years.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Uhh talk about confusing…..well given what Rumple’s Girl laid out, is there still a timeline error? If the First Ogres War lasted a while, then there should be no issues right?
I don’t think so? It’s still seems like a bit of a stretch that the First Ogres War lasted from before Rumple left for war (and given how easy it was for Rumple to enlist, I think we can hazard a guess that the War was already well under way) until Baelfire was 8/9 but it’s not 100% outside the realm of possibility and it actually has some historical precedent.
For me it comes back to what @nevermore was saying: I shouldn’t have to miles of mental legwork to rationalize everything from the timeline to character motivation. Certainly not after 6 years.
Well, here’s the thing. Rumpel had the power to get rid of the ogres, as we know. That means Zoso has that power. The Duke could have ordered him to get rid of the ogres, but instead, he used him to keep his subjects in-check.
The Duke kept that war going.
As for Granny’s Ogre War, I am unable to recall this. When did she mention it?
As for Granny’s Ogre War, I am unable to recall this. When did she mention it?
Red-Handed
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"As for Granny’s Ogre War, I am unable to recall this. When did she mention it?
Red-Handed
Found it!
She even says “second Ogres War.”
Well, here’s the thing. Rumpel had the power to get rid of the ogres, as we know. That means Zoso has that power. The Duke could have ordered him to get rid of the ogres, but instead, he used him to keep his subjects in-check.
I was just thinking that the other day — if Rumple could just blow up the Ogres, then why didn’t the Duke when he had the dagger? I’m guessing the war was politically expedient.
I can’t remember now, but weren’t the Ogre wars about human encroachment / (or, essentially, colonialism) — I have the feeling we learn this in one of the Belle/Gaston episodes? Or is that the 2nd Ogre War, and the first one has other reasons?
Well, here’s the thing. Rumpel had the power to get rid of the ogres, as we know. That means Zoso has that power. The Duke could have ordered him to get rid of the ogres, but instead, he used him to keep his subjects in-check.
I was just thinking that the other day — if Rumple could just blow up the Ogres, then why didn’t the Duke when he had the dagger? I’m guessing the war was politically expedient.
I can’t remember now, but weren’t the Ogre wars about human encroachment / (or, essentially, colonialism) — I have the feeling we learn this in one of the Belle/Gaston episodes? Or is that the 2nd Ogre War, and the first one has other reasons?
I think it was the third war, or the forth.
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I have the feeling we learn this in one of the Belle/Gaston episodes? Or is that the 2nd Ogre War, and the first one has other reasons?
That’s the third. No idea about the first (or really the second since that’s about 65 years pre-Dark Curse)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"They had a child murder someone. There has been no evidence that holding the dark one dagger makes that person dark. Bae was a child and he murdered someone even if he was a bad someone. They had him murder someone with dark magic which he did not like. Think about how he reacted when Rumpel murdered all those guards right after he became the dark one. Think about how he was reacting earlier in this very episode. This entire scene was ridiculous and so out of character.
They have never shown the second ogres war. Granny just mentions it in Red Handed. She just mentions that that is when she lost her brothers. The first ogres war is the one when Rumpel was still a human and then he became the dark one, then we finally saw him end it in this episode. I agree that the duke was keeping it going to control the people.
No one has ever called what happened with Belle or with Emma/Snow in Season 2 to be an ogres war. They could just be skirmishes and not full on wars that last years.
About Hook and Emma’s wedding, the circumstances surrounding their engagement seem so bad, like the writers really don’t want us to be rooting for them to go through with it. Something just seems really off about the whole engagement, especially with how things have gone lately. It’s being framed in a negative way. It reminds me of when Belle and Rumple got engaged. Rumple lied to Belle about the dagger, just as Hook is now lying by omission to Emma about murdering her grandfather. I know Rumple and Belle got married, but it’s been far from HEA for them. It just seems like the writers may be giving the CS fans what they want without really wanting them to be happy. Both couples have deep problems about lying. At least now Rumple is being honest with Belle, but they’re still along way off from being happy or really suitable for each other. Thoughts?
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