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True or false. Hook apologized to Emma for thinking about leaving and apologized for trying to wipe his memories. Then apologized to Charming. TRUE. The fact that the show dismissed it without any repercussions is not Hook’s fault as a character. HE DID WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO IN THE END.
He did it AFTER he was caught, AFTER he tried to run away. The circumstances that lead to this apology were not of his doing, had Hook had his way, he would have wiped his memories and buried his crime for the rest of his life.
That is a point against him.
No one is calling him out on any of this, as usual. Everyone is just forgiving him and acting like this doesnt mean anything. Great, he did apologize, goody for him. If only he had done that from the start and not after multiple people having to tell him to do it, and trying to hide it to begin with. Just because he did it in the end doesnt change that this is not the way HE intended it to go.
It doesnt matter if this is Hook or Rumpel or Regina or anyone who did this. Im not going to keep silent about bad character writing and bad choices all because you find him compelling. Great. But either all of this was one big waste of time (because we all knew this would amount to nothing and that everyone would just forgive him) or it meant something in the end (it meant nothing. No reprecussions at all for Hook. He lost nothing, he learned nothing)
I’m sorry but you guys pick on Hook the most.
I dont know about that, but i do know we often times call out the bad writing and bad choices from many characters on this show (Emma, Rump, Zelena, and Regina in particular) but it only hits a sour spot when we say something critical about Hook.
Which is fine, but let’s not just blatantly ignore the fact that he is not the same person he was when they introduced Hook to us.
Sure. He’s not a womanizer anymore, i guess. But selfish? Liar? Drunkard? Mmmm.
It’s not like Hook stole her from him.
He could have not taken a woman away from her child. That would have been a noble thing to do, right?
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/quote] And this is exactly what he apologized for. Yes, he should be criticized for trying to do what he initially planned on doing. But we should also praise someone when they realize it was the wrong decision and was able to apologize and come clean.
Sure. He’s not a womanizer anymore, i guess. But selfish? Liar? Drunkard? Mmmm.
Wow, simply wow. The grudges on here are just astounding. He lied about killing Charming’s father. That’s not the same as being a liar in general. That was a big thing ad he didn’t know how to handle it. A drunkard? When has Hook been wasted and not giving a crap in the last two seasons? Selfish? He puts Emma first all the time. He saved Belle. He saved Henry. He gave Belle lodging. He saved Rumple and killed Jekyll and Hyde for the town. He stopped Charming from killing King George. He helped Charming try and find out the story about his father. What about all these things? You just ignore them? Is he being selfish? Stop naming past qualities he used to possess. You’re not giving Hook a fair shot at all. He has absolutely changed. If you want to say he hasn’t had to suffer the repercussions others like Regina has had to endure, that is absolutely correct. He hasn’t. But to still call him a selfish, lying, drunk is just holding a grudge at this point.
You are conveniently forgetting all the horrible things Rumple has done and only listing all the bad things Hook has done. To say that Rumple is only defensive is insane. I don;t have the will power to list all the things he has done on this show. Hook saved Henry and saved Belle and Rumple this season. No props for that?
No, I completely understand all the horrible things Rumple has done. I am not saying he has not, what I am saying is that between Rumple and Hook I don’t believe Rumple owes Hook an apology but I do believe Hook owes one to Rumple. I did take the time to list some of the things Hook has done directly to hurt Rumple. You still have not given me any examples of when Hook has apologized to anyone other than Belle for his past bullying behaviors. I will be happy to do this again, because I do find it fun, give me an example of when you feel Rumple was on the offense and i will try and debate it back to you. I don’t remember Hook saving Rumple, I do remember him saving Belle and Henry but have already acknowledged the Belle and Henry does not count as he is the son of his romantic partner.
o say that’s completely Hook’s fault is ridiculous. And then to say that justifies Rumple behavior of cutting off Hook’s hand and then killing Milah when he realized she loved Hook and not him…..I mean come on.
Not saying its COMPLETELY Hook’s fault but it is partially his fault, he did make a decision to interfere in someone else’s marriage where a child was involved and then made a point to bully the husband and make him feel powerless and cowardly. These are all Hook’s decisions which he should apologize for. As for killing Milah Rumple needs to apologize to Milah for that and not Hook. Also he did not kill Milah because she loved Hook, he killed her because she left Bae to be with Hook and then after at least 10 years did not even bother to ask about her son. Still not okay, and I am not justifying that behavior it was awful just pointing out the facts.
To me it seems like the writers decided to have Hook be the murderer of Charming’s dad only to give him (and only HIM) angst over it right after he got Charmong’s blessing and before proposing to Emma, it was portrayed as he suffers and we should feel bad for him (charming was comepletely irrelevant).
When time came when the writers needed to actually have Hook face with the consequences, they decided to put that specific conflict aside, probably because they didn’t know how to do it without making him look bad (usually when characters are called out by other characters they don’t tend to look very goog), so they have him being sent elsewhere, thus creating a different conflict easier to resolve.
Everyone is worried about him and by the time he comes back, all is forgotten and forgiven. In my opinion, it is just lazy writing, leading to an unearned and an unsatisfying conclusion to this storyline.
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Wow, simply wow. The grudges on here are just astounding.
I don’t think this is about grudges, I think it is about character development which I feel has not been done very well with Hook. Has he made good decisions in season 6, yes but that does not make up for all the absolutely horrible ones he has made in the past. That is what we are saying, at least that is what I am saying. The writers had an excellent opportunity to help us non Hook fans like him and feel some sympathy for Hook this season by having him tell both Emma and Charming the truth and then dealing with the fall out. Instead we got Hook lying and trying to cover up his crimes (like he has done multiple times in the past) and then everyone saying well we forgive you for all that with no CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. By the way this is also discounting the horrendous episode where you have Hook doing nothing but yelling at everyone, insisting that Nemo fight a Cracken after Nemo said he did not want to, sinking the Nautilus, and again NOT APOLOGIZING. It is like the writers don’t want us to like Hook and guess what I still don’t.
Everyone is worried about him and by the time he comes back, all is forgotten and forgiven. In my opinion, it is just lazy writing, leading to an unearned and an unsatisfying conclusion to this storyline.
I agree the story line that Hook killed Charming’s dad ended up being extremely disappointing and everything you said is valid and likely why they sent Hook away.
Has he made good decisions in season 6, yes but that does not make up for all the absolutely horrible ones he has made in the past.
I never said it makes up for his past actions. But you can’t change all in one night. It’s clear that over the last two seasons, the decisions he is making and his behavior is that of someone trying to reform himself into a better person. You have disregarded all of that and called him a bully (still right now) who makes fun of special needs kids. That’s completely disregarding all of the good things he has done in the past two years. That’s all I’m saying. You can’t sit there and say he’s the same person as he was back in the Milah days. And yes he definitely has some fault with how that was handled. I thought both characters handled it poorly. Rumple ditched the war. Coward. Loss the respect of his wife. Milah left him and her son Bae. Coward. Like that was awful on her part. Hook, seeing she was vulnerable and could take advantage of a weak Rumple, took Milah for his own. Bad. But, Milah sort of let him. Bad. Then as the DO, now being the one who has more power than Hook, does the same thing Hook did. He uses his power to bully the ones with less power. He kills Milah, bad. Hook did love Milah so yes he does have to apologize to Hook for that. And then chops off Hook’s hand. Bad again. How can you say that both were not at fault here? Honestly all three of them made poor choices. But you’re excusing Rumple’s behavior and not Hook’s. There’s a huge double standard here. And again, I love Rumple. More than Hook. But still.
A drunkard? When has Hook been wasted and not giving a crap in the last two seasons
I think there’s a difference between wasted and using alcohol as a coping mechanism. It’s actually become an in show joke. How many times–just this current arc!–has Hook’s love with rum and his drinking been an actual dialogue joke? I can think of at least 3 or 4. And this isn’t actually against Hook per se but more about the writers have some truly questionable senses of humor.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The writers had an excellent opportunity to help us non Hook fans like him and feel some sympathy for Hook this season by having him tell both Emma and Charming the truth and then dealing with the fall out. Instead we got Hook lying and trying to cover up his crimes (like he has done multiple times in the past) and then everyone saying well we forgive you for all that with no CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.
Sums it up perfectly.
He lied about killing Charming’s father. That’s not the same as being a liar in general.
That was a big thing ad he didn’t know how to handle it.
Yah. I understand that. I understand needing advice. I understand talking to the people he trusted and even Archie, a thearapist. I understand downing a bunch of alchohol to build up the courage. Despite all of that, Hook still went on ahead and went back on everything and still chose to keep the secret and go so far as to attempt to hide it permanently and the ONLY thing that stopped him was Emma’s super convenient entrance. Don’t make excuses for him. What Hook did was wrong and no one is calling him on it. As usual.
This whole thing was a waste of time and so many of us knew that right from the start. Im not holding a grudge, im just sicking of going in circles with this guy and ending up nowhere. This would have been a GREAT oppurtunity to show how much Hook has changed, but guess what? Nope. He did exactly what you would expect him to do. He lied to cover his own poop deck so as to keep Emma. Tell me im wrong.
He puts Emma first all the time.
Yeah. Because Emma is all he cares about. He didnt even care how Charming would feel about this whole thing. Its always about Emma. He has nothing going for him beyond that. All he does is for Emma, and i dont mean that in a good way. Hes selfish because all he wants is Emma and does everything to keep on her good side. The entire thing was simply a way to make Hook look like a woobie, to be a way for charming to give him his blessing. Its trash, and im not here for it. Call me when something interest and long lasting happens. Seriously, how many of us from teh very start predicted all of this.
What about all these things? You just ignore them?
No. Hurray for the good things. Its the bad things that are the problem. Its acting like the bad things dont exist.
There’s a huge double standard here.
But whats the double standard. We call Rumpel out all the time!!!!! Especially in seasons 4,5,and the early episodes of 6 where this dude has been all over the place.
Its only when we do it to Hook people start actign like we are trying to sell a baby’s soul to Chernabog.
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Yet somehow, Belle and Hook became best friends and everyone thinks the sun shines out of Hook’s backside. Now, in all fairness, Hook has made some great leaps forward in season 6. I used to HATE Hook during seasons 2,3,4 and 5 but now during season 6 I actually kind of like him (if only because of the fact that he one of the only characters, besides Rumple and Gideon, that gives a damn about Belle).
I think Hook garners a lot of hate, not necessarily because of Hook himself, but because of how bad he makes other characters look. More specifically, how bad he makes EMMA look. Emma is not the same character we met in season 1. This has nothing to do with her “walls” or lack of them now, it’s her personality. Emma has had a personality transplant for the worse. She used to care about people, anyone who needed help, regardless of who they are, now the only one Emma cares about is Hook. Even her own son and family fall by the wayside. CS is unhealthy because of Emma’s tunnel vision. If the writers were trying to make a point about how anyone, even “heroes”, could find themselves in an unhealthy relationship, then CS would be a great storyline as we see Emma get sucked in more and more as the series progresses. However, the writers have tried to play CS as this “great romance” and it’s just not built right.
Hook and Emma had GREAT CHEMISTRY in Tallahassee (back when Emma was still Emma) and the writers could’ve built from there a snarky relationship that develops into something more. Instead they have Hook leave Emma and co to die in a cell, he terrorises Belle and shoots her, betrays Regina to GOAT, and nearly leaving the town to die. All terrible things that should’ve at least garnered a “What the hell, Hook?!” if not more. He came back to help and assisted in travelling to Neverland to save Henry, a good first step, but suddenly all he he’s interested in is getting into Emma’s pants. He didn’t go to Neverland for Henry’s sake, he went because it would make him look good to Emma. The moment Hook looks like he’s making progress, he takes two steps back. Does he get called out on this behaviour? Nope! Emma turns a blind eye.
That the problem. The Emma we knew in the early seasons would’ve taken Hook down several pegs instead of pandering after him and ignoring any of his misdeeds. Emma is no longer Emma. Add in the bizarre costume choices and Emma looks ill, she’s lost that bright spark she had in the early seasons. Hook is now the more sympathetic character in the CS relationship because he’s inadvertently got himself attached to a clingy, needy woman. It wouldn’t surprise me if Emma goes all Misery on him and breaks his ankles with a wooden mallet just so that he can’t leave her, physically, literally and metaphorically.
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