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All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix*Believe*
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"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Neal is more honourable and trustworthy than Hook.
Both men “backed off” from Emma but Neal was the only one being sincere. He said TO EMMA that if she CHOSE (Since “choice” is considered a big theme in CS) not to show up for the date he would “quit bugging” her.
Hook told NEAL he was backing off from Emma then promptly used Tinkerbell to try and make Emma jealous.
Emma has trust issues. How could she ever trust Hook when he says one thing and then completely does another?
Also, Hook seems to be aware of the hurt Neal caused Emma in the past, he was aware Neal had left Emma before, so why is Hook suddenly changing his tune from trying to seduce Emma to “backing off” yet saying he’s in it for “the long haul” and giving SwanFire a chance UNLESS Hook is hoping that Neal’s and Emma’s attempt at reconciliation will blow up so that he can swoop in and “comfort” Emma and help her “pick up the pieces”
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix*Believe*
From Tumblr Holy moly that is magical
Also, Hook seems to be aware of the hurt Neal caused Emma in the past, he was aware Neal had left Emma before, so why is Hook suddenly changing his tune from trying to seduce Emma to “backing off” yet saying he’s in it for “the long haul” and giving SwanFire a chance UNLESS Hook is hoping that Neal’s and Emma’s attempt at reconciliation will blow up so that he can swoop in and “comfort” Emma and help her “pick up the pieces”
For me personally, I read Hook’s “you’ve left her once before” as a snide “you’ll never win this, mate. Just go try and then once you’ve been kicked to the curb I’ll be there cause I’m devilishly handsome.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Hook implying to Neal you’re sure she let’ll you back in. Hook is reminding Neal of his travesty (while ignoring the stuff he did to Emma and never apologizing for, because that is not important he is handsome and he always win. I get the girl, I got your mother from Rumple and I’ll Emma from you, remember I have had many of men’s wives) against Emma and playing on his guilt. So Neal decided to take a chance and see if Emma is willing to let him back which is why he said can we talk and ended it with if you don’t show, I’ll stop bugging you. So he is going to think Emma doesn’t want him anymore and prefers Hook. If Neal backs off Emma is going to think Neal is not really interesting and Hook’s affection is going to start to look pretty good. So you have two people who love each other but feels the other might be moving on. The fact that Hook has said that to Neal makes me think the writers are using reverse psychology. You think she’ll let you back in more than likely means she would let him back in eventually. And when I win you, it would be without trickery.
Hook feels Swanfire doesn’t have chance, he is going to win no matter what just because the simple fact he is Hook and he has had many mens wives. So if Hook, “Wins Emma” in the second half of season 3 the forecast for Swanfire is looking pretty good. If Neal leans back from Emma, not move on just leans back and resigns that just being apart of her and Henry’s life would mean the world to him, forecast for Swanfire is looking pretty good. Don’t get me wrong as much as Emma loves Neal and how much it scares, she is toying with the idea of Hook in the back of her mind. The grass always look greener is what they say.
Also I wonder about Hook, he has strong feelings for her, but is he in love with her or is he in love with the chase. Spock in Amok Time said something that is very powerful and might refer to Hook. “After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.”
Apart me think this might happen to Hook and Emma and pretty much most of CS fandom. It was the chase that was fun, not exactly the relationship. They may come to realize they were never suppose to be, because that chemistry, that fire, that passion may die down once they are actually Couple. And it would be an old fad and passing glance.
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
Happy Birthday Heather!
I virtually send you this cake (but imagine your name on it 🙂 from a talented pastry chef. Sue’s Cakes
I wish I could do things like this:
Anyway I also wanted to say Thanks to Rumples GoldFan for the kind words about the poster.
I’m still a little miffed at the way the media department handled the Poster slogan, not just for SF–but all fans of the show. Love or hate Neal, he’s a character on the show, and telling us he has no poster for so long (basically implying it was just the one without words), and when someone asks they imply one thing, then flip-flop the other way it just comes off well…sneaky.
Ok back to real shippy thoughts here, so fair warning to any row-boaters dipping a toe on this side:Around this time of year people love….love. The big holiday classic movies, or even modern things like Love Actually, or just look at the Hallmark Channel. The show reunited the big canon couples. It gave Ariel her second chance. There are some bittersweet moments, with Mulan keeping her honor, and Hook perhaps trying to do the same thing. I say perhaps because that Tink moment was really a shocker in terms of the “Hero Hook, romantic, devoted, only has eyes for one woman at a time pirate” story. Yet to look at it generously he was sad, but so was Neal. Yet the key is back to Emma. Does she want that second chance with Neal? Does the audience want to see it? Obviously some do not. Some want Emma alone, some with Regina, some with Graham, many with Hook–but what do characters in the show want? They like Neal enough to think Emma ought to give herself and him another chance. It is not about keeping her from something she thinks makes her happy but they think (mistakenly from Emma’s POV ) is bad. It is about encouraging her with a push yes, the way a parent pushes on a bike ride. Where the child steers is up to the child, but the parent has to get the child moving and past the fear of falling. That is what I think the Charmings were saying, and if they pointed her down a path they thought looked safe, that’s because they love her, because what parent is going to push a child towards something they think would lead to heartbreak and pain? Even if my child “can handle it” to steer into traffic–somehow escape collision, why would I want that? There comes a point where you have to let go to let a child have freedom. The Charmings know Emma’s 29. They aren’t going to put their foot down, or try to manipulate her to the guy THEY like best. They are going to tell her she shouldn’t be afraid to figure it out for herself, but one part in it should be honesty about their opinions too. That’s what Charming did. He didn’t tell her Neal was her Happy Ending or even a happy moment, but obviously he liked him enough to suggest Emma go. He likes Hook enough now not to outright warn Emma away from him (as he would have earlier in the season possibly).
So Emma, on her way to see Neal gets sidetracked by Pan and realizes she cannot think about romance. She doesn’t get to date. So Neal doesn’t get the second chance that Emma may have been about to give him. On the other hand, there’s Hook, pining away, thinking all’s lost, hinting that perhaps he would have been up to something with Tink (despite knowing Tink considered it beneath her dignity, and not caring at all what or how it made Tink feel to hear him imply something to Emma). This isn’t about Hook sussing out Emma’s emotions and whether she was jealous–it is about Hook being a jerk to Tink. Who roots for the jerk, even if we think the jerk has reasons? Last season people said Neal was a jerk to Emma. That his reasons for defending Tamara, for not dumping her instantly the moment Emma came into his life didn’t matter. Now we see what a real jerk is like. A guy who doesn’t care about another woman’s feelings, so long as he “wins” the one he wants. That’s not what Neal did with Tamara. Every thing he said wrong , or that Emma received wrong, he did apologize. He didn’t think sometimes, but he wasn’t OUT to hurt her, to play games, to make her jealous by pretending things he didn’t feel for Tamara. That’s why it is actually good for SF that Neal was genuine about thinking Tamara was someone he might want to marry. None of those thing Neal did were from a place of manipulation. The moment Neal saw Emma she made sure in Manhattan that he knew she was over him. That she was not a choice for him. The tragedy of it, that Emma realized later–they both till carried their love but deeply buried under all the pain and hurt, and fear of rejection. So neither were at their best, but really under the circumstances it could have been much more bitter and hateful, but they were able to keep talking and relate to each other.Hook on the other hand? Half-truths and mind-games are how he’s generally operated. He’s a pirate. He told Aurora that he hated being double-crossed, implying he was helping her to gain revenge on Cora. Thing is, Cora didn’t double-cross him ( at that point). Emma did. Emma is the one Hook wanted revenge on, and he wanted it so badly he didn’t care about risking his life to “choose” Cora’s team. He stayed on Cora’s team all the way through the portal, right after Emma saved his life, because he told her NOTHING about the “things” on the ship. Snow and Charming had to drag him down there, which led to the events with Anton. Who knows what Hook knew or didn’t, about the things specifically but he knew Cora’s agenda involved turning Regina, and possibly he knew more. He kept Cora’s card. She didn’t just come find him, he called her. He stayed on her side, because that meant revenge, and he trusted her to be able to help him.
He kept up with that until Cora finally did double-cross him. She still didn’t kill him though (plot armor….) but that aside, Hook had eyes on revenge until that moment he needed to risk his life to get it, after already tasting how empty it felt when he thought he had it. He doesn’t storm in and say he cannot risk Emma’s life. He doesn’t say he’s feeling in turmoil as Bae’s dead, and he could have stopped it. Whatever these other emotional layers–they aren’t on screen for the average viewer. It is not in his dialog. So inferences are spaces where viewers can and will bring different takes.What is on screen is that Neal is a man who owns his mistakes, even if he makes a few. That he wants to be with Emma but doesn’t want to push it on her. That she loves him, and he loves her.So with ALL of that –I just have a hard time seeing how the “happy ending” we’d be rooting for here is for the Pirate to “win” HIS idea of a happy ending without Emma confessing she’s totally lost her heart to him after one kiss the way he seemed to be claiming he felt. This is not just a movie that started this season. Yet if it were? The obvious ending to me would be to see that Emma and Neal finally are ready to try –just before being ripped apart but at least this time, they know they will find their way home to each other (and Henry, and rest of the family) no matter what.“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Ranisha and KFC, I’m going to respond to your posts after WL but just wanna say
HOLY PARALLELS CYLICE/SWANFIRE
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"(while ignoring the stuff he did to Emma and never apologizing for, because that is not important he is handsome and he always win. I get the girl, I got your mother from Rumple and I’ll Emma from you, remember I have had many of men’s wives)
This sentence for everything.
you are not a white hat hero, Hook! You have done things too!
Spock in Amok Time said something that is very powerful and might refer to Hook. “After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.”
you just became my favorite. DIE HARD Trekkie over here
The obvious ending to me would be to see that Emma and Neal finally are ready to try –just before being ripped apart but at least this time, they know they will find their way home to each other (and Henry, and rest of the family) no matter what.
Yes I agree. And that’s actually an argument I see against SF: that it’s too obvious and cliche and ONCE is supposed to be above that. But for me, SF is already incredibly unique and original that them being together isn’t “cliche”
HOLY PARALLELS CYLICE/SWANFIRE
If you don’t watch WL I’m going to give a brief sketch (I’ll black it out)
after a fight (in a flashback during which Alice and Cyrus watch the stars and talk about how much they want a home), Alice is injured and taken to the White Rabbit. The Wife Rabbit heals her but while she is mending, the White Rabbit pulls Cyurs aside and says it’s better for Alice is Cyrus leaves Alice. But Cyrus says he can’t do that because they are each other’s home. Alice has always wanted a home and he is it. She has NO FAMILY to go back to (none that want her). But instead Cyrus makes a deal with the Caterpillar for a small home that they can share, away from all the danger. So the parallel? Well the White Rabbit is basically August telling Neal to give up Emma. But the difference is that Alice has no family to go home to; Emma did. But it both situations, the guy did what was best for his TL because it meant the girl getting a family and a home. Just my take.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"*Believe*
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