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I need a gif of a room on fire with someone trying to put out the flames with a napkin. This is how I feel today.
This is not the CaptainSwanFire thread. Know how I know? Cause I sent our one and only attempt at that to the Black Abyss of Nevermore 3 years ago because there will never be a time when this fandom is capable of talking about Emma Swan and her romantic relationships without devolving into madness and fighting. Not debating. Fighting. And we have a zero tolerance policy on out and out fighting and attacks.
This is a SwanFire thread. It’s a shipping thread. It has always been that. There are ” shipping thread” rules that can be summed up as “safe space.” Honest polite debate will not be discouraged if everyone feels that it is okay and “safe space” is not being violated.
However in the past 6 pages or so no progress has been made, no minds have been changed and we are, in essence, going in maddening circles over something we will never agree on. Moreover there have been posts that violate safe space. This happens almost like clockwork every two months or so and it’s no surprise it’s happening now as the season winds down and the events unfold for good or for ill.
I am not saying we can’t discuss matters about the show. I am saying that this is by and large pointless because no matter how many times we are called bitter, no matter how many times we explain feminist critique or no matter how many times we are told that we’re too harsh on Hook/Emma/the writers/the show we’re never going to get anywhere.
I guess what I’m trying to say is….What’s the bloody point?!
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It’s too late now, as the show’s almost over, but it would have been cool to channel all of these thoughts into an actual campaign. We could have composed letters with these exact same arguments and sent them to the network or producers. I’ve heard of this sort of thing being done, and actually making a difference. It would be a heck of a lot more effective than a twitter campaign. Nor would it take significantly more effort than composing these posts. I love the discussions on here, but they do tend to get a bit insular. All these pages and pages of insight and argument (expressed very eloquently for the most part), and the only people reading them are forum visitors. Anyway, I’ll see if I can find any links of such stories.
@AKA – Thanks for the suggestion to read ScrewBallNinja. I had also given up on her blog, but I think I’ll give her another try. I found her essays about Emma to be especially good. She says that Emma and Hook this season have been continuing with with Dark Swan arc in S6, which I thought was insightful. She has another recent essay about Emma that uses GIFs to show Emma’s progression from heroine to dark swan. Also, here is a link to a GIF set comparing and contrasting Emma’s reactions to people in need of help from S1 to S6. *sigh* What happened to Emma Swan?!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@AKA – Thanks for the suggestion to read ScrewBallNinja. I had also given up on her blog, but I think I’ll give her another try. I found her essays about Emma to be especially good. She says that Emma and Hook this season have been continuing with with Dark Swan arc in S6, which I thought was insightful. She has another recent essay about Emma that uses GIFs to show Emma’s progression from heroine to dark swan. Also, here is a link to a GIF set comparing and contrasting Emma’s reactions to people in need of help from S1 to S6. *sigh* What happened to Emma Swan?!
IDK last time I checked people in S1 that needed her help were not trying to kill her. She doesn’t know that Gideon doesn’t have his heart. So maybe cut her some slack over that? Unless you’re telling me that you would be all honky dory with the person that has tried to kill you twice already and didn’t regret it nor even apologize(and no what he says to her does not count, cause then he betrays her).
Interesting that you leave that part out, but hey when people have an agenda they just do what they have to do to get their point across even if it means ignoring things that are pretty obvious to anyone that doesn’t have an agenda.
@AKA – Thanks for the suggestion to read ScrewBallNinja. I had also given up on her blog, but I think I’ll give her another try. I found her essays about Emma to be especially good. She says that Emma and Hook this season have been continuing with with Dark Swan arc in S6, which I thought was insightful. She has another recent essay about Emma that uses GIFs to show Emma’s progression from heroine to dark swan. Also, here is a link to a GIF set comparing and contrasting Emma’s reactions to people in need of help from S1 to S6. *sigh* What happened to Emma Swan?!
IDK last time I checked people in S1 that needed her help were not trying to kill her. She doesn’t know that Gideon doesn’t have his heart. So maybe cut her some slack over that? Unless you’re telling me that you would be all honky dory with the person that has tried to kill you twice already and didn’t regret it nor even apologize(and no what he says to her does not count, cause then he betrays her).
Interesting that you leave that part out, but hey when people have an agenda they just do what they have to do to get their point across even if it means ignoring things that are pretty obvious to anyone that doesn’t have an agenda.
I didn’t have a problem with how she talked to Gideon, I had a problem with her and Snow being insensitive towards Belle, who just like them lost her child. This is not how S1 Emma would have reacted.
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@AKA – Thanks for the suggestion to read ScrewBallNinja. I had also given up on her blog, but I think I’ll give her another try. I found her essays about Emma to be especially good. She says that Emma and Hook this season have been continuing with with Dark Swan arc in S6, which I thought was insightful. She has another recent essay about Emma that uses GIFs to show Emma’s progression from heroine to dark swan. Also, here is a link to a GIF set comparing and contrasting Emma’s reactions to people in need of help from S1 to S6. *sigh* What happened to Emma Swan?!
IDK last time I checked people in S1 that needed her help were not trying to kill her. She doesn’t know that Gideon doesn’t have his heart. So maybe cut her some slack over that? Unless you’re telling me that you would be all honky dory with the person that has tried to kill you twice already and didn’t regret it nor even apologize(and no what he says to her does not count, cause then he betrays her). Interesting that you leave that part out, but hey when people have an agenda they just do what they have to do to get their point across even if it means ignoring things that are pretty obvious to anyone that doesn’t have an agenda.
I didn’t have a problem with how she talked to Gideon, I had a problem with her and Snow being insensitive towards Belle, who just like them lost her child. This is not how S1 Emma would have reacted.
Belle has been prattling on for 6 seasons before how Rumple is a changed man and how he is good and look what that has gotten the Charming’s family and even Belle. Sometimes her judgement is not the best one as this season heavily emphasized.
Now Gideon is controlled so he is not in control of his actions however, I don’t at all feel bad about how Emma and Snow reacted. Gideon has tried to kill Emma twice, whom is Snow’s daughter. Any mother would be wanting him taken out. Maybe Emma would be more sympathetic if Gideon did not try already to kill her once and then tries to feed her to a spider the second time. Me personally that would absolutely be the last straw for me, I would never forgive anybody for doing something as horrifying as that.
What you label insensitive, I label as basic human nature in that kind of situation.
I guess we’re just gonna ignore what the Charming’s wanted Emma to do so…
If the writing had shown some agency for Emma, and that Emma actually weighed anything first…. And Emma ignored what a dead man wanted last season….
It has been said by others more eloquently than I, but really, who was more in danger, two people about to fall into a coma (which makes them easy targets for villains), or a person who has capably survived in a dangerous profession for over 100 years (with very robust health that belies their age) on very familiar turf. Who as coincidentally been brought back from the dead by a god before? (probably not going to happen again, but I wouldn’t put anything past these writers).
The writers shouldn’t have broken the dead is dead rule. I don’t mean they should have left Killian dead in the first place, I mean the writers shouldn’t have made him dead in the first place.
I guess we’re just gonna ignore what the Charming’s wanted Emma to do so…
If the writing had shown some agency for Emma, and that Emma actually weighed anything first…. And Emma ignored what a dead man wanted last season. It has been said by others more eloquently than I, but really, who was more in danger, two people about to fall into a coma (which makes them easy targets for villains), or a person who has capably survived over 100 years (with the health of a person 1/3 of their age) on very familiar turf. Who as coincidentally been brought back from the dead by a god before? (probably not going to happen again, but I wouldn’t put anything past these writers). The writers shouldn’t have broken the dead is dead rule. I don’t mean they should have left Killian dead in the first place, I mean the writers shouldn’t have made him dead in the first place.
Who was in more danger? The Charmings whom were going to be sleeping or Hook that was going to go into an eternal sleep and die once again.
Who the heck cares that it was his own turf! He was tied to a freaking pole about to be burned alive. He got a second dose of energy the second he saw Emma there. He already accepted he was going to die there, hence why he was so calm when Tiger Lily apologized. He was just happy that Emma got the wand.
He accepted his fate, he knew he was doomed until he saw Emma again. Had Emma not come when she did, he would have died. That is how the scene was set up. He had zero hope, and he was losing faith as episode after episode he couldn’t find a way to get back to Emma. Tearing his shadow was the last chance he had, and when that did not work he accepted his fate. The shadow thing was a one time only deal as Tiger Lily said, he only had one shot.
And the Charming’s told Emma to go after him, and for once Emma listened to her parents wishes.
They broke the dead is dead rule for Killian because…
1. He’s Emma’s true love and they wanted to show much like how Killian will go to the ends of the Earth and time for her, that she will do the same for him. An echo of Snowing hence why Emma said the iconic snowing quote in the episode.
2. They wanted an arc in the Underworld w/ Greek Mythology.
3. They wanted an arc where Regina could see all her victims and they can tell her amazing she is and how much she’s changed.
4. They wanted an arc where our main characters can deal with misdeeds from their pasts and be able to atone for them. And also bring in a bunch of very popular and loved guest stars.
<p style=”text-align: left;”>You shouldn’t be able to break the dead rule for anyone at all.</p>
<p style=”text-align: left;”>It undermines the stakes of the show. Now we know that people can be revived from death it makes things less threatening.</p>
<p style=”text-align: left;”>I agree. They broke it to bring Hook back. I have an issue with that because they could do that for any and everyone now but won’t.</p>"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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