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Yes I love that poster! If you did that KFC awesome work! <3
And KFC nice as always you are so insightful.
Darn I don't Ouat W. I was thinking about saving it for the break? But judging by your reaction RG the parallel was a good thing.
[adrotate group="5"]"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
I was in a major rush to read KFC’s (post WL forum-ing) so I wanted to read it again carefully
I’m still a little miffed at the way the media department handled the Poster slogan, not just for SF–but all fans of the show. Love or hate Neal, he’s a character on the show, and telling us he has no poster for so long (basically implying it was just the one without words), and when someone asks they imply one thing, then flip-flop the other way it just comes off well…sneaky.
Sneaky or strategic. The two can go together, it’s just hard with the ABC marketing team to know why they do what they do (please see the 308 synopsis where they flat out LIED about who goes to save Henry)
That’s what Charming did. He didn’t tell her Neal was her Happy Ending or even a happy moment, but obviously he liked him enough to suggest Emma go. He likes Hook enough now not to outright warn Emma away from him (as he would have earlier in the season possibly).
Agreed. A lot of people on Social Media are yelling at the Charmings for shipping SF or that they are “the only ones who ship it” (the Snow hate recently…gah) but they ship Emma with Happiness. Even after Emma confessed that she kissed Hook to Snow, her mother was horrified and didn’t lay down some sort of “you should not do that!!” her reaction was that she thought Emma felt bad about it terms of Neal and wanted to say, “it’s ok. Love is about forgivness too. Did I ever tell you about the time I drank a potion that made me forget your father?”
This isn’t about Hook sussing out Emma’s emotions and whether she was jealous–it is about Hook being a jerk to Tink. Who roots for the jerk, even if we think the jerk has reasons? Last season people said Neal was a jerk to Emma. That his reasons for defending Tamara, for not dumping her instantly the moment Emma came into his life didn’t matter. Now we see what a real jerk is like. A guy who doesn’t care about another woman’s feelings, so long as he “wins” the one he wants.
Agreed. To me, Hook was going to do anything that felt good at the moment because what Emma doesn’ know what hurt her. But the second Emma might know, he is going to use it to his advantage. Neal didn’t hide Tamara. He was open, he apologized (a few times) and you could see that he didn’t want Tamara there at all. His reaction when she was around was always “man, I don’t wnat this….”
It’s interesting that you bring up the average viewer and what they see and don’t see. I see a lot of CSers claiming that the average viewer is obviously much more into CS (something that NEITHER side can actually say given that ONCE has an audience of about 10 million on average). I really do wonder what the average viewer thinks. Are they even aware of “shipping” and the war? I really wish I could talk to some of them. My mom and aunt are both VERY casual viewers (I occasionally have to remind my mom that his name is Henry not Harry) and both do not understand the CS thing at all. They think the story is about Emma and Neal.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Firstly: Happy Birthday, Heather! (My BFF’s b’day is 12/12 too. Small world.)
Secondly: That SF Family poster is fabulous!
Emma has trust issues. How could she ever trust Hook when he says one thing and then completely does another?
THIS! I think this is what her reaction to, and even asking about Tink and Hook was about. Many people have read it as jealousy, but I didn’t get that at all. A couple of days ago, the guy looked her in the eye, confessed his love, and said he was gonna honestly, without trickery, win her heart once they were back in SB. Now they’re back in SB…and he’s trying to make out like he’s getting with Tink less than 24 hours later? IMO, the only reason Emma bothered to ask the question is because if he and Tink WERE, then that was proving that what he’d said to her on the island was false. Given Tink’s reaction, Emma knows that Hook was actually LYING in trying to make her think that there WAS something happening. Which, frankly, probably makes him look worse than if he actually had just had a quickie with Tink, because it proves that he’s blatantly trying to manipulate Emma’s emotions, which completely contradicts what he said to her in NL. Untrustworthy Pirate is untrustworthy.
Hook feels Swanfire doesn’t have chance, he is going to win no matter what just because the simple fact he is Hook and he has had many mens wives. So if Hook, “Wins Emma” in the second half of season 3 the forecast for Swanfire is looking pretty good. If Neal leans back from Emma, not move on just leans back and resigns that just being apart of her and Henry’s life would mean the world to him, forecast for Swanfire is looking pretty good.
Basically, whatever might happen in the next ep that on the surface looks like bad news, the forecast for SF is actually still looking pretty good. This ship sails itself. 😉
Also I wonder about Hook, he has strong feelings for her, but is he in love with her or is he in love with the chase.
I think that it’s the first time since Milah that he’s felt something for a woman, and that’s a long time, and his emotions surrounding Milah are seriously deeply rooted, so when Emma came along and he felt an emotional shift, he instantly interpreted that as loving her. And the last time he loved and lost, it tore him up for centuries, so the thought of having love again with Emma, and of having competition for her, it’s turned him into a hot, desperate mess. My hope is that after he hits rock bottom, he realises that he mis-interpreted his own feelings for Emma, and having had that experience, the next time he falls in love, he’ll be more aware, and able to handle the situation better, and it’ll be real.
It is about encouraging her with a push yes, the way a parent pushes on a bike ride. Where the child steers is up to the child, but the parent has to get the child moving and past the fear of falling. That is what I think the Charmings were saying, and if they pointed her down a path they thought looked safe, that’s because they love her, because what parent is going to push a child towards something they think would lead to heartbreak and pain?
YES!! (You made so many other wonderful points as well, I seriously could have quoted that post about 10 times.) Some of the crap that Snowing are getting right now, when all they wanna do is be there to help their daughter. That family unit is finally making a little bit of progress with the parent/child dynamic, they’re figuring out their place, and how they can be parents to Emma in a way she can accept. And they’re getting hated for it. *throws up hands in frustration*
HOLY PARALLELS CYLICE/SWANFIRE
I need to get cracking and download the new ep by the sounds of it.
Given Tink’s reaction, Emma knows that Hook was actually LYING in trying to make her think that there WAS something happening. Which, frankly, probably makes him look worse than if he actually had just had a quickie with Tink, because it proves that he’s blatantly trying to manipulate Emma’s emotions, which completely contradicts what he said to her in NL. Untrustworthy Pirate is untrustworthy.
Yes Emma knows FOR SURE that Hook just lied to her. Her walls are going to go sky high
I think that it’s the first time since Milah that he’s felt something for a woman, and that’s a long time, and his emotions surrounding Milah are seriously deeply rooted, so when Emma came along and he felt an emotional shift, he instantly interpreted that as loving her. And the last time he loved and lost, it tore him up for centuries, so the thought of having love again with Emma, and of having competition for her, it’s turned him into a hot, desperate mess. My hope is that after he hits rock bottom, he realises that he mis-interpreted his own feelings for Emma, and having had that experience, the next time he falls in love, he’ll be more aware, and able to handle the situation better, and it’ll be real.
I think he is misunderstanding his own feelings.
He hasn’t actually said I love you. He’s implied it. But never said it
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I need to get cracking and download the new ep by the sounds of it.
another one: we learn that Cyrus wasn’t always a genie, but rather was a human once. He never told Alice because he tried to forget that life. Neal never told Emma that we was Bae from the enchanted forest
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"another one: we learn that Cyrus wasn’t always a genie, but rather was a human once. He never told Alice because he tried to forget that life. Neal never told Emma that we was Bae from the enchanted forest.
I find it interesting that other people are saying that this last Once WL paralleled CS and that Cylice ties in more with their ship. I guess that’s what happens when you watch through shipping goggles. 🙂 Each ship sees an episode but then sees the same events as paralleling their own ship.
I am a little confused about why people are saying that the majority of CSers ship Cylice and that SFers ship Knalice. And if a SF fan ships Cylice then why wouldn’t they ship CS because the two ships are so similar. At first I liked the idea of the Knave and Alice together because I didn’t care much for Cyrus. But he has grown on me and so has their relationship so I’m totally Cylice now but I am still most definitely NOT a CS shipper. It’s funny I guess because, I agree with RG, I see way more similarities to SF than to CS when it comes to Cylice. Maybe it is shipper goggles but I do not get CS vibes at all when I see Cylice.
*sidenote* Grrr. I can’t seem to ever quote spoilers. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong, RG, but I can’t spoil out your quote. Help me RG, you’re my only hope. 😀
"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."
Sorry to post this again. But it is so good! And can I say, we have some amazing talent in our fandom! I think ABC should be hiring these people!
"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."I find it interesting that other people are saying that this last Once WL paralleled CS and that Cylice ties in more with their ship. I guess that’s what happens when you watch through shipping goggles. 🙂 Each ship sees an episode but then sees the same events as paralleling their own ship.
I’ve seen the ep now, and saw ALL THE SF parallels. That’s some classic love story elements being used in both stories, and they’re classic love story elements that get re-used time and again for a reason, because they’re effective. I’m actually, genuinely curious as to what CS shippers saw in that ep. Guess this is another one of those cases where I feel like they must be watching an entirely different show to me.
*sidenote* Grrr. I can’t seem to ever quote spoilers.
Join the club. I gave up on trying to quote spoilers because it never seems to work for me no matter how I try to do it.
In OUATinWL, Cyrus said, “You know they say that sacrifice is the measure of true love? And I would sacrifice anything for you.” He had the good fortune of Alice not having a destiny to fulfill, which meant he did everything he could to keep them together. I was also reminded of Snowing’s conversation in “Dark Hollow” how love means being together, but it also means sacrifice. Plus, I was reminded of what Eddy and Adam said in the official video podcast “Who’s Baelfire?” regarding Nealfire and the sacrifice he made:
“When you really love somebody, you just want to be with them. And to have to deny that is hard to yourself, and it’s also hard because he knew he was going to break her heart. So the fact that he would add to the pain that he was trying to take away is really hard to live with. He understands that this destiny is important for her, and he can’t be in the way, and that is, that is really a self-sacrifice that I think he regrets everyday.” – Adam and Eddy
He gave Emma up, not because he didn’t love her, but to get her home. If sacrifice is the measure of true love, then Neal and Emma have it. Emma didn’t understand that when Neal walked away from her, he wasn’t abandoning her out of cruelty, but was giving up his own happy ending to get her home.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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