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Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

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  • May 21, 2017 at 10:42 am #339167
    hjbau
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    Even if she’s legally allowed to talk about her true feelings regarding the show at this point since she’s no longer contracted with ABC/OUAT I doubt she (or any of the cast) would bite the hand that fed them. You have instances like Michael Socca and Sean Maguire who went a bit more in depth about how they felt on the show and what was done to their characters but they were also very political about it, said they’d work with A and E again (and Sean did!), ect. I suspect JMo would do the same. She’s a TV actress and if she gets a rep for disrespecting the work the show runners or network do…well, it’s a small town. That’s why her exit interview was carefully written (probably not actually by her) and her exit interviews stay very neutral in terms of any real feelings and instead hits several points over and over that sell herself as a grateful actor and praises the network/show/writers (she loved Emma, she loves the show, she’s grateful for the fans, she’s ready to move on personally and professionally…). It’s what Screwball Ninja said in the link Slurpeez posted a page back…PR and media PR at that is Kabuki theater, highly performative The only actor that I can see not caring about breaking ties is Bobby. If anyone has anything to say, it might be him.

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    I think that is right. She doesn’t want to get a reputation for saying bad things about the producers and writers and all that. I think that makes sense. The thing is i do think that she could say she didn’t really like this or that plot point and still say she enjoyed her time on the show and really enjoyed working with the producers and even say that she thinks they are great writers. She could say both things.

    Instead she never says anything that she dislikes about things that happened on the show and that is why it feels dishonest. I think she goes too far towards the party line and i don’t think she needs to do that. I, personally, think that hurts her with the fans.

    There is also a difference between saying i like acting this or that thing verses her liking that as an objective observer of the show. Jennifer isn’t an objective observer. This is her job and what is fun to act might have nothing to do with what she thinks is like a good quality storyline objectively as an observer. Especially since she doesn’t watch the show.

    As long as the show is ongoing, i don’t think that Jennifer is going to say much more then she has because what she might say would impact the show and she probably doesn’t want to do that.

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    May 21, 2017 at 12:01 pm #339169
    Slurpeez
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    The only actor that I can see not caring about breaking ties is Bobby. If anyone has anything to say, it might be him.

    Agreed. Bobby Carlyle is the only one of the bunch who really had a lot of gravitas and decades of film-making experience before he came to OUAT. He can afford to say what he really thinks because he knows at the end of next spring, he can always have a career in movie or television industry. He was a pretty well-known actor before, and he will be after Once. He’s even more of a legend over in Scotland than he is here. Remember when Amy Manson, the actress who played Merida on OUAT, said Robert Carlyle basically warned her not to listen to the American writers about how to portray Merida? She regarded Bobby as a national icon and also took his advice not to return to the show. That’s pretty telling.

    Also, Jennifer being a woman i think effects all of that. Robert can say things like they shouldn’t have killed Neal and i don’t think it will effect him and his ability to work. If Jennifer talked about her issues about the show in public, it could effect her ability to get work.

    There is an icredible double standard between how actors and actresses are treated in Hollywood. With few exceptions like Judy Dench and Meryl Streep, women on average can expect to have maybe 15 – 20 years of an acting career in the limelight while men probably have 40+ years of an acting career before they’re considered “over the hill”. Emma Thompson and Robert Carlyle actually have said very interesting things about why American actresses shy away from portraying “ugly” roles because of the overwhelming sexism and ageism in Hollywood.  (They gave the interviews when Emma Thompson played an ‘ugly’ woman opposite Robert Carlyle in the Scottish film Barney Thomson).

    As much as JMo might like to break into production and/or direction, she hasn’t really been able to shed her pretty blonde TV show starlete stereotype yet. She’ll probably have a hard time breaking into production and continue to be typecast for the few years she has left in the limelight because Hollywood is sadly one of the most sexist industries there is. That is why I think Screwball Ninja said it was surprising that JMo wrote as much as she did in her exit PR tweet. Screwball Ninja called it “burning bridges” even. If Jennifer Morrison actually could crack the glass ceiling and manage to change her career trajectory from a TV actress to become a producer of a TV show or even a film director, it would be incredible and huge. She’s probably also realizing that she has little time left to make her mark. Being 38, JMo is pushing 40, which is Hollywood terms is a ticking time bomb. That’s probably the real reason she left Once Upon a Time; she doesn’t just want to be remembered as Emma Swan — especially the pod person Emma Jones became.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 22, 2017 at 1:35 am #339177
    Phee
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    Found a screencap that includes the hairdresser’s comment. Really makes you wonder what JMo said when she went in for the cut. LOL

    May 22, 2017 at 1:39 am #339178
    Phee
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    Instead she never says anything that she dislikes about things that happened on the show and that is why it feels dishonest. I think she goes too far towards the party line and i don’t think she needs to do that. I, personally, think that hurts her with the fans.

    All the CS shippers who currently love her (and really it’s only the CSers who have actually enjoyed her work in the last couple of years) would revolt and ditch her and never watch anything she did again if she dared to diss the CS storyline in any way. On the flipside, the rest of us would gain back respect for her.

    May 22, 2017 at 4:54 am #339181
    sciencevsmagic
    Participant

    It’s interesting that she mentions THREE years of energy being cut off. Presumably, the three years of energy before that are worth keeping!

    May 22, 2017 at 9:53 am #339185
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    It’s interesting that she mentions THREE years of energy being cut off. Presumably, the three years of energy before that are worth keeping!

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    Yeah it’s the three years part that is fairly interesting. That’d put us back at the end of S3, start of S4.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    May 22, 2017 at 12:00 pm #339189
    TheWatcher
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    Its such a great look for her.

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    May 24, 2017 at 9:37 am #339205
    thedarkonedearie
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    All the CS shippers who currently love her (and really it’s only the CSers who have actually enjoyed her work in the last couple of years) would revolt and ditch her and never watch anything she did again if she dared to diss the CS storyline in any way. On the flipside, the rest of us would gain back respect for her.

    You guys really lost respect for her?  Well if that isn’t the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.  What on Earth has JMo done to lose the respect of SF fans?

    So I do like her new look a lot!  And I do feel like she needed a change of scenery.  I would have gotten sick of playing Emma at this point as well.  But I find it very interesting that when JMo says something nice about the show and about Emma, you assume she’s not being entirely truthful and that someone else may have even wrote her exit interviews for her……or you know maybe she actually really did like the show and really did like Emma!  Just bc you guys did not like the way the show took Emma as a character, (and that’s perfectly fine as I started getting annoyed with her at times too) and you obviously don’t like CS, does not mean when actors on the show says things that you don’t agree with, that they must be lying bc how could she possibly feel that way!  I don’t know guys.  It just comes off as SF fans looking for some sort of justification that just isn’t there or proven, at least by JMo.  Just my two cents on how it looks from an outsider’s perspective.

    May 24, 2017 at 10:16 am #339209
    RumplesGirl
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    You guys really lost respect for her?  Well if that isn’t the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.  What on Earth has JMo done to lose the respect of SF fans? So I do like her new look a lot!  And I do feel like she needed a change of scenery.  I would have gotten sick of playing Emma at this point as well.  But I find it very interesting that when JMo says something nice about the show and about Emma, you assume she’s not being entirely truthful and that someone else may have even wrote her exit interviews for her……or you know maybe she actually really did like the show and really did like Emma!  Just bc you guys did not like the way the show took Emma as a character, (and that’s perfectly fine as I started getting annoyed with her at times too) and you obviously don’t like CS, does not mean when actors on the show says things that you don’t agree with, that they must be lying bc how could she possibly feel that way!  I don’t know guys.  It just comes off as SF fans looking for some sort of justification that just isn’t there or proven, at least by JMo.  Just my two cents on how it looks from an outsider’s perspective.

    It’s a good point. We’re obviously doing a lot of reading based on our own perspectives and viewpoint of wanting (maybe needing) to be right that the actors (not just JMo!) have lost a lot of love for the show. But the opposite is also true, no? That when she makes it sound like CS is simply the best thing ever she’s doing her ample best to spin it because she’s an actor and that’s her job and the CSers are just not reading in between the lines because JMo’s sentiments uphold their own world view?

    It’s like when the CSers point to JMo saying how much she loves CS or how great she thinks the relationship is, but point blank ignore her talking about the positives of SQ relationship or whens she said “Neal was such a true love for Emma.” But at the same time we point to those quotes about Neal and try to find subtext behind the CS stuff.

    It’s a problem for both sides. I personally don’t believe JMo is as on board with CS as those shippers want to believe and that largely comes down to the way she plays Emma (including dress and makeup) in a CS scene vs in a non-CS scene. And often times the way an actor plays something will let you know how they really feel. (Bobby doing his best work all season with the actor playing his son, and sorta phoning it in elsewhere, as an example)

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    May 24, 2017 at 10:49 am #339211
    thedarkonedearie
    Participant

    It’s like when the CSers point to JMo saying how much she loves CS or how great she thinks the relationship is, but point blank ignore her talking about the positives of SQ relationship or whens she said “Neal was such a true love for Emma.” But at the same time we point to those quotes about Neal and try to find subtext behind the CS stuff. It’s a problem for both sides. I personally don’t believe JMo is as on board with CS as those shippers want to believe and that largely comes down to the way she plays Emma (including dress and makeup) in a CS scene vs in a non-CS scene. And often times the way an actor plays something will let you know how they really feel. (Bobby doing his best work all season with the actor playing his son, and sorta phoning it in elsewhere, as an example)

    Fair point.  We’ll probably never truly know her actual feelings.  But count me in on the side where I believe what JMo is saying and not assuming she is lying.  And if I’m being consistent, than I also have to believe her when she says Neal and Emma were true love.  If she says Neal and Emma were true love, why would she lie about this?  But yes, you can certainly tell when Bobby is phoning it in and when he’s actually acting his butt off.  I guess I haven’t really been able to detect JMo’s performance differing in certain scenes, but I also suppose I wasn’t looking for it.  But to me, that just means Bobby’s was more obvious.

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