Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[Slurpeez]

How sweet! I want this family unit to be safe, loved, and reunited. Basically, it’s everything I wished for Henry and his own parents, to have an intact, loving, and united family. Here’s to him, Lucy and Cinderella getting to have their own little castle together the way Henry wished for with Emma and Neal. Here’s to second chances actually going right this time! PS) I read the name “Shoever” for Shoe + Believer, but I’m not sure if I like it.

[Rainbow]

Posting this here bc of spoilers, so if the latest ones are really true, then that is totally shows that Emma is not fit to be a good mother, instead of a copy of herself, she sends a copy of a pirate that is not even brave to go himself, at least Regina and Rumple show the family bond by going themselves, I swear I can’t understand how they have these ideas, at this point Wish realm characters would be easy to explain and what about a copy of charming to help his grandson, and who cares about a copy hook, he is not even real, to come up with this copy idea, they should have let Colin go and give him a job in another abc show, bc really, so if hook mom appears she will meet a copy, not her real son, really   when I thought A&E could not come up with more silly ideas, they surprised me. They also showed that they are not braver to destroy cs, but are grave to destroy rumbelle, since they also said Rumple will be dark one forever, meaning she, their kids and everyone link to them will die and he will be alive to watch this happen.

"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".

[Slurpeez]

That is an unconfirmed popular theory among CS fans because they like to slant what has actually been said in favor of their own wishes. What Colin actually said is that he playing an alternate version of Hook, but he probably just meant he is playing a cursed version of Hook (i.e. Rogers). Rogers isn’t some sort of clone who never knew Emma or anything like that. Rather, he is a cursed version of Hook and simply doens’t remember her the way Mary Margaret was a cursed alter ego of Snow White. 

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[hjbau]

I don’t know. I think Colin made it seem like there were two versions. A version with Emma and another separate new version in the neighborhood. That is what he said at least.

I think that makes no sense at all, but i think that is what he said.

[Slurpeez]

I really did listen carefully to Colin’s soundbite, but we have to keep in mind several things. First, Colin has never played a cursed version of Hook because he wasn’t even in season one, so it’d only be natural for Colin to talk about Rogers as being like a new character to him who is different from the old Hook. Colin also talked as if Hook and Emma have a happy ending, but I think we have to take this with a huge grain of salt because we know several other things: Jennifer isn’t coming back, there is a petrified bug beneath the troll bridge in Hyperion Hights, and Adam and Eddy said this would be an “emotional curtain call” for Emma. Would they have used those words if everything were dandy with Emma? I don’t think so because that choice of words connotes bittersweet or even sad emotions. A&E also said they aren’t interested in telling happy endings but in happy beginnings, and technically Emma and Hook already had their “happy beginning” when they tied the knot, so it’s not technically wrong to tell fans that Hook and Emma already had theirs. Also, A&E, not Colin, are the showrunners. As they said in their soundbite, some of Henry’s family return to help him, and they name each of the family members: Rumple, Regina, Hook. So, these are the same characters from before, and they have a history with Henry. They aren’t brand-new characters from a different dimension the way Cinderella is. Regina is still Henry’s adopted mother; Rumple is still Hook’s grandfather, and Hook is still Henry’s step-dad/quasi step-grandpa. They’re the same characters as before except now they have cursed identities the way Mary Margaret, David Nolan, Archie Hopper, and all the rest were cursed alter egos in season one.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[hjbau]

I agree with everything you said. I think all the evidence points to them all being the same people just with cursed memories. The only thing is that i don’t think that is what Colin said. I think he thought when he said this that they were two separate individuals. He may be wrong, quite easily, because he wasn’t in Season 1 when everyone was cursed and Hook has never been cursed, so he might just not get it, but i do think that is what he said. I think he said there is a version of Hook that is with Emma and they are off living somewhere together, but there is also this second version of Hook that lives in the new neighborhood and is cursed.

The other thing is that i think the show runners have done quite a few things because they seem to think people like Emma and Hook being a couple when most people do not. I could see them doing something that makes no sense at all just to try to preserve that very small part of the fandom. At this point, we will see is all i know.

If they had only filmed three episodes by the time of this interview, maybe Colin was only in the one flashback and thought that was the original version at the time and they were happy. Who knows. I just don’t think that makes sense. Though that doesn’t mean it can’t happen, because anything can happen on this show.

[Slurpeez]

I think we’re pretty much on the same page. Could I see the writers doing something really dumb like splitting Hook in half and giving one half of him a happy ending with Emma in the EF? Absolutley. In fact, they did something very similar with the Evil Queen and Wish Realm Robin at the end of season six. However, I also went back and read the EW article from September 26, 2017. What A&E actually said was:

Can you tease anything about the cursed versions of your familiar characters?
KITSIS: When we find them in Seattle, they will be under cursed personas.
HOROWITZ: They’re different than the cursed personas we’ve seen before. While it’s Regina that you’ve been with for six seasons, what she is now in Seattle is something different. What it’s allowing us to do is see these same characters in a new way. Also, Hook never had a cursed persona, so this allows us to do something we haven’t done with Hook before.

GOODMAN: And it’s been really fun as we enter in season 7 with these cursed personas, but seeing how we can reflect these characters that people have known and loved underneath, and see the ways that they’re bubbling through, and we’re seeing who they were, but in this new guise.

The showrunners specifically said that these are cursed personas of these same characters but that they’re being seen in a new way because technically Regina & Hook have never been cursed before. The writers specifically said that because Hook never had a cursed persona that has allowed them to do something “new” with him (i.e. a new identity to play). I think that is what Colin was talking about having a new version of Hook to play (i.e. a new cursed persona, as A&E specifically said). Plus, Goodman specifically said that despite these cursed personas we can still see hints of these old characters that we’ve known all along coming through. (i.e. they have a connection to the past because they’re still the same characters beneath). It’s similar to when we could see hints of Snow White in Mary Margaret like her love of birds and her connection with David Nolan, yet because she was cursed she lacked courage and things like that. In conclusion, it’s a just matter of semantics to me, and there isn’t really a lingustic difference between words like different or alternate. It’s just difficult to describe something “new” that we’ve actually seen before in season one (cursed personas).

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

Slurpeez I hope you’re right. I deeply hate the clone theory going around. I think it’s bad for a whole lotta reasons.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[hjbau]

I hope you are right too. I don’t like the theory either.

I just do think that Colin thought they were two separate human persons, one that was with Emma and one that lived in the neighborhood. I just think all the other evidence, things stated by the show runners and the writers, suggest that they are one individual, the same one we have always known, just now they have cursed memories. Though, like you said they did split Regina, into the Evil Queen, so that they could give a sort of, but not really happy ending to Robin and Regina. All i am saying is it is possible even though all the other evidence points to this being the Hook that has been on the show since Season 2.

[Slurpeez]

Another recent EW interview made it clear what CO’D meant:

However, the beloved returning trio have been radically reimagined thanks to that curse. Regina is now a denim-clad bar owner named Roni, while Hook is a despondent cop named Rogers. Rumple, as ever, remains a mystery. “It really is like we’re starting a whole new show,” O’Donoghue says. “Lana, Bobby, and I essentially are creating new characters and that’s always exciting and terrifying at the same time.” Not to confuse the matter, but for those who may not understand how OUAT curses work, they are still playing characters who appeared during the first six seasons; these are just their cursed alter egos in Hyperion Heights.

Colin thinks of Rogers as being an “essentially new character” and said it’s like “we’re starting a whole new show” because he wasn’t in season one and hasn’t played a cursed version of Hook before. He said that he, Lana, and Bobby were all in the same boat, not just him. The article reporter goes on to clarify for readers that the returning actors are indeed still playing the same characters as before just with new cursed alter egos. It’s almost like the reporter sought to offer clarity lest anyone be puzzled by how curses work or by what Colin meant. He said that S7 is like a new show with new characters to him not that they are new.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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