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Also Hook and Emma want different things in their lives. Hook doesn’t want to settle down and stay in one place (Even with Milah, they sailed around, not staying in one spot too long) Emma does, she wants her Tallahassee.
Yes this is a big point for me. Hook and Milah didn’t find some little house by the sea; they did what Hook loves to do: go on adventures on the ocean, be pirates. He chose to become a pirate after Liam but he relished it. You can tell that he enjoys it. And this is why Hookriel made so much sense to me.
And what is Emma going to do? Hop on the JR and set sail for part unknown? Leave Henry and Snowing? Not likely. It would be the biggest misstep and most un-character like thing she could do. And the true is opposite for Hook. I do not see him settling down and wanting to give up the sea. Before he was a pirate, he was a naval officer. He has always been a man of the sea.
In the end I think Hook is a lot like Jack Sparrow. The Black Pearl and the freedom it granted him were Jack’s true loves. He couldn’t distance himself from them. I think that’s a lot like Hook .
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And to contrast with the way they’ve written Hook as a potential father figure, they’ve written Neal as a father figure who was there for his son in any way possible from the moment he discovered that Henry existed, and in doing so, broke the Stiltskin cycle of father/son abandonment. Which one of those characterisations, Neal’s or Hook’s, sounds like a character they’re setting up as being a positive father figure for a child?
I think the answer to that question is the key to the series. You’re right in saying that Neal has given Henry the best gift imaginable: Neal has broken the nasty cycle of abandonment and given his son hope for the future going forward that his family can be in tact.
That’s one of the reasons I don’t see how CS could be endgame, because for any of Adam and Eddy’s faults, I like to think that they wouldn’t saddle Henry with the negative option as an official step-dad. It would honestly baffle me if that’s the choice they made.
Precisely. Now all that remains is for Emma to acknowledge the kind of honorable man and good father and son that Neal is. I think she already has in 3×9 when she noticed that Neal was stepping up to the plate for Henry and also making peace with his dad. Neal even inspired Emma to smile and to then turn and hug her own parents. Neal brings out the best in his son and in Emma. He has her back in saving their son, whom he has pledged never to leave again. I believe that Emma will eventually see the light in the difference between Neal and Hook. It’s a matter of time.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
HappyOnce Day guys I found a great essay on tumblr wanted to share
“I was thinking about the so called love “triangle” between Emma, Neal, and Hook trying take a look at objectively at which couple actually makes sense. When I look at Hook and Emma I do understand why people like them. They do have good chemistry. They are flirty and fun. Hook is charming, handsome, and sexy. People like seeing Hook change from being the villain to becoming a hero all because of the love of a woman. There in lies the problem with me. Hook is a fairytale character. I know Eddie and Adam have changed all the characters a bit and have given them their own twist. We all know Hook as the dastardly villain. Charming to be sure, but lovesick puppy? This is not the Hook that I love. The banter between them is fun, but to take away the villain is to take away the pirate. No more Hook, but plain old Killian Jones? Hook becomes a regular guy. Their flirting us fun, I have a hard time picturing Emma and Hook in a long term relationship.
Then we have Neal and Emma, products of fairytale characters especially created by Eddie and Adam. Both abandoned, in a sense, by their parents. Fell in love, separated by fate because of a curse. Neal was the reason the curse was created, Emma’s was the reason curse was broken. They share a child , who ties two families together. They both love each other deeply. The most important thing to both Neal and Emma is family. Emma has only said I love you to two people, Henry and Neal. The whole theme of the show is about family, hope, believing, redemption and love. When I look at all the other couples, Rumbelle , Snowing, and others, they all have the same theme. They were all separated and brought back together. Emma and Neal fit the same pattern. Their story Is more complicated, but a true love story. They fit together. Emma and Neal have had the most emotional depth in their scenes together. I prefer this to fluff any day. Their chemistry is more real to me and they make sense as a couple. Just saying.
Happy Once Day for MidSeason Finale! It is also my birthday, and I am hoping for an exciting and emotional episode, plus some teases to fuel speculation until the spring.
Part of that is hoping for a second chance for Neal and Emma both, but it is to soon to find their Tallahassee and home together. I really just hope they have the moment to realize that they both still do want to try despite all the hardships they have faced, and are able to express that to the other.
Most of these obstacles were not of their own making, but the result of dealing with fairytale magic-driven, desperate people trying to lead them astray one way or the other. If Neal and Emma were just two people who met, then fell in love –they would have struggled as anyone else but they would have found strength in each other because that is the type of relationship they had. For the first time, they found someone with whom they could take down the walls and be honest.
That honesty is brutal at times with them but it tells me they trust each other on a deeper level than just omitting the details to tell someone what they want to hear, in the way they want to hear it. They can yell at each other, stumble over words, and be sarcastic, and still make the other smile. They can be sad, or happy and the other understands it, even if at that moment they don’t feel the same. They can tell each other anything and they will never have to fear the other will stop loving the other, only whether they will choose to be together or not.
Emma took pride in the things Neal taught her, and she remembered him from so many years back, when she had every reason to forget him. She said she lost him years ago, and she did, but she never really lost his love for her or her love for him. Both just came to feel it was too late for various reasons and both tried to move on. We don’t know how closed and walled off Emma became immediately after Neal left. Giving up Henry hurt, but who were the people who came and went in her life for years after? The same with Neal. However damaged they were their loss of hope was not complete, until Emma saw him die (she thought). She felt that so strongly that she spent most of her time in NL without Henry and Neal feeling raw and empty. Until Neal returned. She did not jump to happiness, but she was scared of losing him again, scared of him not being who she had started to realize he truly is. Yet she began to be more hopeful.
She has not left that fear behind yet and it is holding her back, but I do not think she fears him leaving her by choice anymore. She is scared for all the reasons she fears for Henry. She grew up in the real world but deals in fairytale situations and can she really ever relax? What I hope she realizes in this episode is she is making the same mistake that Neal did when he stayed away even after the broken curse. Even with all the added complications of being to together, they are happier that way, and that happiness, that magic will fuel the solution to the mystical problems that will continue to come their way.
Far from obvious and cliche, the twist and turns in this story continue to surprise me, and I say bring on the next obstacle. Each one just makes the bond between them grow stronger.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
HappyOnce Day guys I found a great essay on tumblr wanted to share
Yeah he stopped being Captain Hook which isn’t fair to the character. Rumple still makes deals. Regina is still the evil Queen. The woobiefication of Hook is an issue
Happy Once Day for MidSeason Finale! It is also my birthday, and I am hoping for an exciting and emotional episode, plus some teases to fuel speculation until the spring.
*confetti* *noise makers* *Bug shaped cookies*
Emma took pride in the things Neal taught her, and she remembered him from so many years back, when she had every reason to forget him. She said she lost him years ago, and she did, but she never really lost his love for her or her love for him.
That’s a really good point. Emma did lose Neal in the sense that he wasn’t there with her, but she kept pieces of him with her always: a two year stint in Tallahassee, the bug, the swan pendant, her tricks about getting into situations with an exit, and then of course the biggest piece of all: Henry.
She did not jump to happiness, but she was scared of losing him again, scared of him not being who she had started to realize he truly is. Yet she began to be more hopeful.
307 Emma was the Emma we’ve all missed.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Most of these obstacles were not of their own making, but the result of dealing with fairytale magic-driven, desperate people trying to lead them astray one way or the other. If Neal and Emma were just two people who met, then fell in love –they would have struggled as anyone else but they would have found strength in each other because that is the type of relationship they had. For the first time, they found someone with whom they could take down the walls and be honest.
That is one of the biggest reasons why I favor SF and believe they’ll be end-game. Neal and Emma truly love one another, and their having to sacrifice their relationship was the result of the dark curse (just like Snowing). They were kept apart by forces outside of themselves, not because they as a couple are incompatible. Adam and Eddy said on the record that Neal leaving Emma was a self-sacrifice, because he hated having to walk away from the woman he loved or causing her pain. It would be a completely unhappy ending for Emma and Neal not to get their second chance at true love, which is with each other. And here we have the official ABC promotion telling us to believe in Neal’s second chance, which he said in 3×3 was a second chance with Emma and Henry. So, I do expect to have some positive SF scenes tonight. I just think their relationship is going to be put on hold once again by this new curse, which will also bring the advent of CS. Nevertheless, I no longer dread this coming age, because I think I see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Now that I’m thinking about it, I wonder if the reason we haven’t had the juicy CaptainFire stuff could be because if they showed that, showed Hook genuinely reforming out of guilt for what he’d done to Bae, he’d start to look like a less negative step-dad option, and a more realistic option for Emma, which would drag the triangle out for much longer, and they don’t wanna do that. So instead they’re writing him in a continually negative light in a bid to shut the triangle down and show him as not really being a realistic contender. Perhaps? An explanation like that wouldn’t take away my disappointment over not having gotten the CaptainFire stuff, but at least there’d be a method to their madness that I could appreciate.
Maybe. I do find it interesting that Hook was being built up as a “reformed” pirate up until 3×5, which ironically was called “Good Form”. In reality, I think the way Hook has gone about “wooing” Emma has shown bad form: saving Charming to get Emma to “owe” him a kiss, saving Henry to win Emma’s favor, saving his “good friend” Neal with the idea showing Emma he’s the bigger man, “stepping back” from Emma to let Neal have a crack. Yet, the underlying tension is that Hook is afraid to reveal himself truly to Emma, probably because he is afraid she’d reject him if she knew the truth. Hook seems to think Emma sees him as a man or honor, but when compared to Neal, I see a big contrast. Yes, Neal left Emma to go to prison, but in an effort to get her home. Hook left Emma for dead in a jail cell as a way to prevent her from getting home to her son. Hook helped saved Charming, but then solicited a kiss from Emma to show him what her “father’s life is worth” to her. By contrast, Neal got his father to agree to saving Charming with no expectation of favors because it’s just “the right thing to do.” Also, Hook claims Neal is a “good friend” whom he missed and toasted his memory, but at the same time, he is making a play for the woman Neal loves. That flies in the face of the bro code! And that kind of betrayal is confounded by the fact that Hook helped destroy Nealfire’s family as a child. Hook supposedly loves Nealfire, yet he thinks he’s setting him up to fail? Excuse me?! That’s a scummy thing to do to stab your so-called son figure in the back like that! Now Hook is trying to thwart Nealfire’s second chance at a family with Emma and Henry! That is bad form!
When it comes to Henry, Neal would lay down his life to save Henry so that his son wouldn’t have to grow up like he and Emma did. As Henry’s father, Neal has a vested interest in being the best father he can be to his son, because Henry and Emma are all Neal has. By contact, Hook’s sense of revenge and self-preservation is what enabled Greg and Tamara to carry out their plan of kidnapping Henry in the first place. Charming said so, and Hook admitted to it in 3×5, so CS fans can’t even deny it! True, Hook did make some real character growth in turning around his ship in 2×22 to help Emma and her family save Henry. BUT Hook doesn’t have any personal investment in Henry, and only cares about the boy insofar as helping Henry wins him favor in Emma’s view. I doubt Hook would’ve cared much about the boy’s fate had it not been for Emma, and Hook seems to be using Henry as a tactic to his advantage. Hook told Neal in 3×10 that he was stepping back from his pursuit of Emma “for the sake of the boy.” Yet, in the next sentence, Hook basically said he was hanging back to allow Neal to fail in winning back Emma, thereby giving Henry what Hook considers to be false hope of his parents reuniting. In reality, I doubt Hook gives a second thought about what is in the best interests of the boy. He just recognizes that Emma would never leave Henry, as Milha would’ve left Baelfire, so Hook is trying new tactics to get into Emma’s good graces.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
That honesty is brutal at times with them but it tells me they trust each other on a deeper level than just omitting the details to tell someone what they want to hear, in the way they want to hear it. They can yell at each other, stumble over words, and be sarcastic, and still make the other smile. They can be sad, or happy and the other understands it, even if at that moment they don’t feel the same. They can tell each other anything and they will never have to fear the other will stop loving the other, only whether they will choose to be together or not.
And if not for the trials they’ve been put through, they wouldn’t have that type of deep, brutal, honest relationship that they have now. Those trials will ultimately result in their relationship being stronger. The forces that tried to tear them apart, will ultimately result in their relationship being stronger. That strength is a connection unique to only them. Their relationship is raw, and real.
I JUST LOVE THEM A WHOLE LOT OK!!
Also Hook and Emma want different things in their lives. Hook doesn’t want to settle down and stay in one place (Even with Milah, they sailed around, not staying in one spot too long) Emma does, she wants her Tallahassee.
Yes this is a big point for me. Hook and Milah didn’t find some little house by the sea; they did what Hook loves to do: go on adventures on the ocean, be pirates. He chose to become a pirate after Liam but he relished it. You can tell that he enjoys it. And this is why Hookriel made so much sense to me.
Ah, Hookriel. So much potential, could have been a great match with their shared wanderlust. *sigh*
Anyway, Emma’s spent her whole life on the move and alone, never having a place to call home. Then she met Neal, and the Bug became their home, and they had a dream of a proper home. A place where Emma would finally belong, and they would build a new life and a family. But they didn’t get Tallahassee, and Emma drifted for the next 10 years of her life, same as the rest of her life before Neal, when she was constantly moved around. Now she’s found her family, she’s found a place to belong, she’s found a home. There is no way that Emma Swan would ditch all of that, her lifelong dream finally come true, to go sail around on a pirate ship. It would be completely OOC for her to do that. And it would be completely OOC for Hook to agree to just give up the sea, and if they confined him behind a white picket fence I would weep for him. I honestly don’t see how someone could want what is best for both of them as individuals, and think that they could be an endgame pair. It just does not compute in my head.
And if not for the trials they’ve been put through, they wouldn’t have that type of deep, brutal, honest relationship that they have now. Those trials will ultimately result in their relationship being stronger. The forces that tried to tear them apart, will ultimately result in their relationship being stronger. That strength is a connection unique to only them. Their relationship is raw, and real. I JUST LOVE THEM A WHOLE LOT OK!!
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There is no way that Emma Swan would ditch all of that, her lifelong dream finally come true, to go sail around on a pirate ship. It would be completely OOC for her to do that. And it would be completely OOC for Hook to agree to just give up the sea, and if they confined him behind a white picket fence I would weep for him. I honestly don’t see how someone could want what is best for both of them as individuals, and think that they could be an endgame pair. It just does not compute in my head.
So OOC that I would call it fanservice.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And if not for the trials they’ve been put through, they wouldn’t have that type of deep, brutal, honest relationship that they have now. Those trials will ultimately result in their relationship being stronger. The forces that tried to tear them apart, will ultimately result in their relationship being stronger. That strength is a connection unique to only them. Their relationship is raw, and real.
While I certainly think Swanfire have a unique dynamic (two lost children from the EF growing up in our world and finding each other), their trials of separation remind me a great deal of both Rumbelle and Snowing. Despite all three couples being separated, their love has endured. The main difference between SF and Snowing and Rumbelle is that SF grew up in our world, where happy endings are few and far between. It’s harder for Neal and Emma to believe in happy endings. Yes, they were kept apart by supernatural forces outside of themselves, but they still need to work through their unresolved issues. I think that SF will find their happy ending together, and that is part of their appeal, since them overcoming their issues would be like a modern-day, real-world happy ending.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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