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December 16, 2013 at 1:35 am #231099
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ParticipantIn a previous post I mentioned how Emma’s response to Hook at the town line was pretty weak and if they wanted to use that moment to highlight her having feelings for him, it would have been a perfect opportunity. Thinking about it some more, and considering that what Regina says immediately after was how Emma would lose her memories, if they actually wanted to show a sign of mutual love between Hook and Emma, this is how the scene should have played out…
Hook: There’s not a day will go by that I won’t think of you.
Emma: I’ll be thinking of you too.
Regina: Uh, sorry to interrupt, but Emma, there’s something I haven’t told you. When the Curse hits, you’ll lose your memories.
Emma: *longing glance at Hook* I’ll forget everyone? And how I feel about them?
Regina: I’m afraid so, it’s just the way the Curse works.
Emma: *embraces Hook* Find me again.Instead we got the complete opposite. Followed by a scene where his kiss had no magical effect on her. Maybe it’s my shipper goggles talking, but it seems to me like they’re trying to be pretty blatant about it NOT being a two way relationship with Emma and Hook. So I’m thinking it likely won’t develop into much more than what it already is. They had the perfect chance to progress that relationship if that was their plan, and instead they totally played it down.
just saw something on Tumblr which did upset me (I should know to be more careful but I was curious…). A former SF/Neal fan decided they hated Neal this episode because he didn’t react enough to his father’s death and just stood there. Hello? Are we even watching the same show!?!
Urgh, that’s ridiculous! I guess if people don’t give a crap enough about Neal to want to understand him, they won’t appreciate how he’d react in a situation like that.
[adrotate group="5"]December 16, 2013 at 1:35 am #231098Slurpeez
ParticipantI’ve been aware of this for awhile but am now only putting it into words. I see Hook as being Neal’s literary foil. Jennifer Morrison has said that Hook reminds her of Neal. So it’s natural that Emma would feel some sort of spark with Hook. Yet, for all the similarities that Neal and Hook have (e.g. one is a former thief, and the other a pirate who both love Emma), they differ significantly in lots of other ways too which I’ve mentioned before. It will be interesting to see where the writers take this, since I think they’re intentionally putting Hook as a stand-in for Neal in what should be Neal’s natural setting: NYC. Yet, I think we’re going to see Emma, even in her cursed sate, start to gravitate back to Neal, her true home. Emma’s talisman being the dreamcatcher would be a very good way to demonstrate this concept. Dreamcatchers catch the bad dreams only to let the good ones in. It’s a very interesting dynamic they’re setting up of Hook being there mid season for Emma but Emma gravitating back to the dreamcatcher, even in her cursed state, just as David Nolan seemed to know to go to the troll bridge when he had amnesia. Despite being cursed, David was inexplicably drawn back to Mary Margaret. Could Hook be to Emma as Kathryn was to David during the curse?
Ok. I just rewatched. I think it’s VERY significant what Hook says after failed kiss in NYC “I had to try. It was a long shot. I was hoping you felt as I did.” Doesn’t that pretty much sum up the whole relationship?
Yes, that sums up CS in a nut shell for me. Any attraction that Emma has for Hook is rooted in the fact that he reminds her of Neal, her true love. Yet, attraction and true affection are not the same thing.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
December 16, 2013 at 1:40 am #231103RumplesGirl
KeymasterI’ve been aware of this for awhile but am now only putting it into words. I see Hook as being Neal’s literary foil. Jennifer Morrison has said that Hook reminds her of Neal. So it’s natural that Emma would feel some sort of spark with Hook. Yet, for all the similarities that Neal and Hook have (e.g. one is a former thief, and the other a pirate who both love Emma), they differ significantly in lots of other ways too which I’ve mentioned before. It will be interesting to see where the writers take this, since I think they’re intentionally putting Hook as a stand-in for Neal in what should be Neal’s natural setting: NYC. Yet, I think we’re going to see Emma, even in her cursed sate, start to gravitate back to Neal, her true home
Yup. Nicely put.
her face in the promo when she has the dreamcatcher. It’s a moment of clarity. A moment of self realization
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"December 16, 2013 at 1:43 am #231106astrawoid
ParticipantHer face in the promo when she has the dreamcatcher. It’s a moment of clarity. A moment of self realization
Completely agree.
"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."December 16, 2013 at 1:49 am #231110RumplesGirl
KeymasterAnother observation. After Emma walks away from Neal and epic hug (sigh…let’s get GIFs of that pronto) and Hook calls out to her, her eyes are already teary. Hooks declaration is not what made her teary eyed and I read her expression as more amused, like “yeah you do that, Hook.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"December 16, 2013 at 2:02 am #231114Slurpeez
ParticipantI thought there were some interesting potential SF/Snowing parallels. Remember what Charming said to Snow. “The future we imagined is gone, but that doesn’t mean we can’t find another one, an unexpected one.” Emma and Neal dreamt of a future together, yet it didn’t turn out like the thought. But that doesn’t mean they can’t find another one, together.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
December 16, 2013 at 2:04 am #231117RumplesGirl
KeymasterI thought there were some interesting potential SF/Snowing parallels. Remember what Charming said to Snow. “The future we imagined is gone, but that doesn’t mean we can’t find another one, an unexpected one.” Emma and Neal dreamt of a future together, yet it didn’t turn out like the thought. But that doesn’t mean they can’t find another one, together.
YES! They dreamed of Tallahassee but that got ruined becuase of fate and destiny. But that doesn’t mean they can’t have Tallahassee 2.0
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"December 16, 2013 at 2:23 am #231125Slurpeez
ParticipantIn a previous post I mentioned how Emma’s response to Hook at the town line was pretty weak and if they wanted to use that moment to highlight her having feelings for him, it would have been a perfect opportunity. Thinking about it some more, and considering that what Regina says immediately after was how Emma would lose her memories, if they actually wanted to show a sign of mutual love between Hook and Emma, this is how the scene should have played out…
That’s an interesting take on it. I like the way you’re retelling it since it suits my SF tendencies well. Emma wasn’t even going to say goodbye to Hook until he stopped her, made a joke, and said he’d think of her. Her reply? “Good.” That is so cryptic. That’s it? No hug? Perhaps my shipping goggles are getting in the way, but I think it could be read multiple ways. It just kept me guessing, which I think is the point. While I think CS is headed our way, big time, I’ll just chalk it up to Emma being cursed.
Though Emma did not verbally reply to Neal after he said, “This isn’t the end. I will see you again,” Emma did initiate a strong bear hug with Neal. That’s something. I noticed her face was trying not to give away too much emotion, probably because she was fighting back her feelings. In her head, Emma was probably internally screaming, “I can’t believe it’s happening again! I’m losing him for a third time. This is what I meant when I said it’d be easier if I didn’t have to face this pain again. Don’t show emotion. Walls up!” Yet, I think RG is right that is when Emma made a beeline for the bug, because she was fighting back the tears already.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
December 16, 2013 at 2:27 am #231126RumplesGirl
KeymasterEmma did initiate a strong bear hug with Neal. That’s something. I noticed her face was trying not to give away too much emotion, probably because she was fighting back her feelings. In her head, Emma was probably internally screaming, “I can’t believe it’s happening again! I’m losing him for a third time. This is what I meant when I said it’d be easier if I didn’t have to face this pain again. Don’t show emotion. Walls up!” Yet, I think RG is right that is when Emma made a beeline for the bug, because she was fighting back the tears already.
exactly. exactly. exactly.
This is proof to her that the Savior doesn’t get to have a day off. If would have been a 1000x harder had she gone to lunch. WALLS UP EMMA SWAN. It’s what she does.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"December 16, 2013 at 2:39 am #231129astrawoid
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Only hug gifs I could find so far. Emma looks so sad in that second one. Like she can’t believe that she’s losing him again. 🙁
http://kabum.tumblr.com/post/70173492335/hello-goodbye
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