Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire

[Slurpeez]

This is part of why I hate the triangle so much.  Neal is a character who HAS a storyline–his father just died, he recently became a father and is losing his son just weeks after finding him.  He isn’t given enough screentime, nor is Belle, and a large part of why (I think) is the time devoted to building up Hook for the obvious fan-girl contingent /eye-candy factor.

Yep. THIS!

From Tumblr:

[Phee]

I just need to leave this here:

And now I need to go and sob. I’ve seen MRJ cop some crap for not having emoted, but honestly, his restrained reactions are SCREAMING emotion to me. ALL THE EMOTIONS, ALL AT ONCE.

This is part of why I hate the triangle so much. Neal is a character who HAS a storyline–his father just died, he recently became a father and is losing his son just weeks after finding him. He isn’t given enough screentime, nor is Belle, and a large part of why (I think) is the time devoted to building up Hook for the obvious fan-girl contingent /eye-candy factor.

I really hope we get some close Belle and Bae interaction while they’re in FTL. It’s the perfect opportunity to give both characters some much needed screen time and development.

Hook does have more depth than that, absolutely, but a lot has been stripped away and it makes the character less interesting than as a complicated villain who longs to be a hero but doesn’t quite know how to get there because he just can’t help himself.

Agreed. They need to shut this triangle business down ASAP if only because it will mean they can move Hook on to doing other things that are more interesting for his character.

Something I do like the potential for, and I hope this is what they’re heading for with him being the one in NYC, is that in helping her remember, he’ll be helping her to remember Neal. Remember why he really left her, remember that she still loves him, remember that even though they’re not a couple (right now), they’re working together to look after their son. So Hook helping her remember will actually count as a legit, selfless, noble act, where he’s aware (since his kiss didn’t work) that he’s (more than likely) gonna lose out if Emma remembers, but he’s still gonna help her to do it anyway. If they play it that way, it could end up being some actual character growth for him, if he realises what’s going on, accepts it, and then does the respectful thing and actually does back off.

[RumplesGirl]

Being with each other, being in love, and finding a place to be together

And they still want that. Fate just got in the way. (And August…)

This is part of why I hate the triangle so much. Neal is a character who HAS a storyline–his father just died, he recently became a father and is losing his son just weeks after finding him. He isn’t given enough screentime, nor is Belle, and a large part of why (I think) is the time devoted to building up Hook for the obvious fan-girl contingent /eye-candy factor.

That pic makes me hurt. He is so distraught but Neal isn’t the “cry hysterical” cry of guy. It’s not in his character. (and if I see one more post about him not emoting…)

And now I need to go and sob. I’ve seen MRJ cop some crap for not having emoted, but honestly, his restrained reactions are SCREAMING emotion to me. ALL THE EMOTIONS, ALL AT ONCE.

People react different to grief. Belle and Bae are contrasting one another. Belle, who wears her heart on her sleeve, is on her knees sobbing.

Bae, who learned long ago to tuck his heart away lest it be hurt again, is trying his hardest to keep himself in check

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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Thinking some more about the point in my previous post about the potential for Hook character development, and ya know, it’d be the perfect setup to show a really big contrast in his behaviour. We’ve seen him tell Charming that he saved him to get in Emma’s good graces. He helped save Henry to try and get into Emma’s good graces. He regularly comments about being worried about his own arse being saved. He’s always looking out for #1. So if he knows he’s not gonna get the girl if he does the right thing and helps her remember, if he knows he won’t get any “special payment” for helping to save her family members this time, but he does it anyway…I will rejoice. Because not only would it be some character growth for Hook, but it would mean that much of the stuff they’ve written for him this season which has been degrading his character, would have actually been done for a reason, so they could show the contrast in behaviour, so it won’t bug me nearly as much.

[kfchimera]

People react different to grief. Belle and Bae are contrasting one another. Belle, who wears her heart on her sleeve, is on her knees sobbing. Bae, who learned long ago to tuck his heart away lest it be hurt again, is trying his hardest to keep himself in check

This!  It made a contrast that worked on screen to highlight them both rather than competing to upstage the other.  What I noticed here is Hook looked as shocked as those who had genuine reason to have some  affection for Rumple despite the complicated ups and downs–yet he spent years dreaming of his death.  This is part of the “erasing” of Hook in S2.  It is not redemption if they retroactively suggest it was just a slight misunderstanding, really Hook just wanted to give Rumple a hug for putting up with Milah all those years.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[heatherc1275]

I’m totally exhausted after a long day of working both of my jobs yesterday but coming here and seeing/reading all the wonderful things you guys have posted makes my heart happy this morning. Thanks for brightening my day! 😀

Thank you also for posting the wonderful Neal in FT land clothing picture again because that always makes me smile. He does look regal in that gear and I can’t get enough of that pic! I’ve decided there are three things I need to see in FT land for Neal and if they don’t happen, I will be extremely upset. First, Neal absolutely needs to be taken in by the Charmings because they truly are family and I think they can provide true comfort and love to each other after losing their loved ones. I can’t remember who wrote this but I also love the thought of him telling Snow & Charming about their daughter and sharing stories about their time together with them. Two, Neal and Belle need to form some sort of bond over losing Rumple because they’re probably alone in how much pain they’re feeling over losing him. None of the others have that type of relationship with him so they need to rely on each other and I really need to see this happen for them. Three, Neal and Hook NEED to have talked about things non Emma related and gotten to a somewhat better point in their relationship. It’s ridiculous at this point how much their past has been ignored and I really want to see that they’re in a good place there or at least that they’ve come to some sort of understanding. I’m not going to lie…I’m a little concerned that all the character development we got for several people in the NL arc is going to be obliterated with this new arc by them switching gears and heading into more of an ‘action’ type of story. I hope I’m wrong though!

People who are still harping about Neal’s ‘lack of emotion’ in the show were clearly not watching the same show as me because I saw a man completely and totally broken but doing everything he could not to fall apart. The pain in his eyes and eventually on the rest of his face was totally evident to me. How can people not see that?! Not everyone cries at the drop of a hat like yours truly. 😉

BTW-The random tools on the internet who are finding more sympathy and feeling sorry for Hook right now and not feeling bad for Neal, you know…the guy who literally lost his father, his son, and the woman he loves more than anything within a span of about twenty minutes, need a SERIOUS reality check. I can’t even comprehend that mindset and I want to reach through the computer and strangle some of them. ARGH!!! 🙁 (Seriously, why do we not have a sobbing smiley here??!)

#MoreBOOMLessGloom

[RumplesGirl]

RumplesGirl wrote: People react different to grief. Belle and Bae are contrasting one another. Belle, who wears her heart on her sleeve, is on her knees sobbing. Bae, who learned long ago to tuck his heart away lest it be hurt again, is trying his hardest to keep himself in check

This! It made a contrast that worked on screen to highlight them both rather than competing to upstage the other. What I noticed here is Hook looked as shocked as those who had genuine reason to have some affection for Rumple despite the complicated ups and downs–yet he spent years dreaming of his death. This is part of the “erasing” of Hook in S2. It is not redemption if they retroactively suggest it was just a slight misunderstanding, really Hook just wanted to give Rumple a hug for putting up with Milah all those years.

And look at what Bae does. As soon as everyone is unfrozen they start to move in some way, but Bae remains frozen for a few second before he moves to stand in the exact spot where his father was.

Hook’s reaction was very surprising. 311 was a lot about villains making huge leaps down redemption road by playing the hero. Hook “drew the ire of the shadow” in the convent…but look at what Rumple and Regina do. I think Hook realizes that to be a true hero, something he thinks he can be, he has to truly sacrifice something.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

People who are still harping about Neal’s ‘lack of emotion’ in the show were clearly not watching the same show as me because I saw a man completely and totally broken but doing everything he could not to fall apart. The pain in his eyes and eventually on the rest of his face was totally evident to me. How can people not see that?! Not everyone cries at the drop of a hat like yours truly

Agreed. I’m actually starting to get a little offended with people over this. I don’t do the crying jag thing over a lot. When I’m truly devastated, something bad has really happened…I shut down utterly and completely. It doesn’t mean I don’t feel anything…it means I feel too much.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

BTW-The random tools on the internet who are finding more sympathy and feeling sorry for Hook right now and not feeling bad for Neal, you know…the guy who literally lost his father, his son, and the woman he loves more than anything within a span of about twenty minutes, need a SERIOUS reality check. I can’t even comprehend that mindset and I want to reach through the computer and strangle some of them. ARGH!!! 🙁 (Seriously, why do we not have a sobbing smiley here??!)

WORD! Even if you don’t love Neal as a character, if you don’t think he’s got plenty to be devastated about right now, you’re being sort of heartless.

Testing the crying emoticon that should be available: 😥
ETA: OK it didn’t work. But it’s not really sufficient anyway, because it’s just a calm little weep, and really we need something like this…

EATA that OK, it DID work, but it didn’t show up the first time I submitted my post. *kicking it* Anyway, just type “: cry :” without the spaces.

[heatherc1275]

heatherc1275 wrote: BTW-The random tools on the internet who are finding more sympathy and feeling sorry for Hook right now and not feeling bad for Neal, you know…the guy who literally lost his father, his son, and the woman he loves more than anything within a span of about twenty minutes, need a SERIOUS reality check. I can’t even comprehend that mindset and I want to reach through the computer and strangle some of them. ARGH!!! (Seriously, why do we not have a sobbing smiley here??!)

WORD! Even if you don’t love Neal as a character, if you don’t think he’s got plenty to be devastated about right now, you’re being sort of heartless. Testing the crying emoticon that should be available:
ETA: OK it didn’t work. But it’s not really sufficient anyway, because it’s just a calm little weep, and really we need something like this…
EATA that OK, it DID work, but it didn’t show up the first time I submitted my post. *kicking it* Anyway, just type “: cry :” without the spaces.

I’m glad we have the little one available but I like the bigger one better because it fits my emotions this week! I’m still not totally recovered from that winter finale but I’m looking at the bright side now….that could easily have been our SEASON finale and then we’d have to wait all summer for the show to come back! 😮

 

#HopeforSwanFire 🙂

 

#MoreBOOMLessGloom

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