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She WILL remember that eventually though! Have faith. I refuse to believe that they’re going to erase that entire part of her history somehow and that all the growth that Emma has had as a character in the last 2.5 years is going to be washed away.
If they did erase her whole character growth over the past 2.5 years, not even from a ship perspective, I would be livid, to the point where I would seriously consider my future with this show. I hate memory loss for the sake of erasing a character and starting fresh.
Don’t let me down writers!!
Even if SF turns out not to be endgame then I still expect A and E to deal with all these issues.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"General announcement from yours truly.
As you guys probably noticed the CSF thread was recently opened again and conversations happened. They were actually going ok but I think most of us know that they weren’t going to stay that way. I tried very hard to stay out of it in general because that thread was my waking nightmare (major thank to Phee for listening to me scream). I went to do a check on the CS thread for spoilers and such and saw that there were quite a few : “RG if you read this, just get rid of that thread!!”
I had a talk with Daniel and after hearing what I had to say about the continued mental well being of this community he agreed that I could send the THREAD OF DOOM to the dark abyss of Nevermore.
It’s gone. For good. Ain’t coming back.
I said this to the CSers too but I think we should all collectively agree never to try that again. And not cause we aren’t lovely people who don’t have very legit reasons and rationalizations for why we ship what we ship but cause it just isn’t going to work. I love that we tried. I really do; it shows that we can rise above petty shipping wars and actually TRY to listen to each other. But…let’s not try again. Yeah?
Love you all. *cookies*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"heatherc1275 wrote: She WILL remember that eventually though! Have faith. I refuse to believe that they’re going to erase that entire part of her history somehow and that all the growth that Emma has had as a character in the last 2.5 years is going to be washed away.
If they did erase her whole character growth over the past 2.5 years, not even from a ship perspective, I would be livid, to the point where I would seriously consider my future with this show. I hate memory loss for the sake of erasing a character and starting fresh.
heatherc1275 wrote: Don’t let me down writers!!
Even if SF turns out not to be endgame then I still expect A and E to deal with all these issues.
I hope you’re right but in this day and age of social media, network pressure, and immediate reactions they can now get from their shows, my fear is they start trying to please the crowds too much (which IMO, they’re all ready doing by dumbing down Hook and making his character a fake hero) and erase some of the more important things from the show’s history in order to go a different way. I don’t think Adam & Eddy would do something like that but I agree with you; if something like that did happen, I’d have serious reservations about watching anymore because it’s a total cop out and complete fan service and shows CANNOT survive by doing stuff like that. This hiatus is going to drive me crazy because this is the type of stuff I worry about because I’ve seen it happen to other shows and I want OUAT to remain A&E’s story with THEIR OWN interpretation of things and not all those outside influences. *cue me the worrywart* /end rant
Back to happy things and #HopeforSwanFire 😀
#MoreBOOMLessGloomGeneral announcement from yours truly. As you guys probably noticed the CSF thread was recently opened again and conversations happened. They were actually going ok but I think most of us know that they weren’t going to stay that way. I tried very hard to stay out of it in general because that thread was my waking nightmare (major thank to Phee for listening to me scream). I went to do a check on the CS thread for spoilers and such and saw that there were quite a few : “RG if you read this, just get rid of that thread!!” I had a talk with Daniel and after hearing what I had to say about the continued mental well being of this community he agreed that I could send the THREAD OF DOOM to the dark abyss of Nevermore. It’s gone. For good. Ain’t coming back. I said this to the CSers too but I think we should all collectively agree never to try that again. And not cause we aren’t lovely people who don’t have very legit reasons and rationalizations for why we ship what we ship but cause it just isn’t going to work. I love that we tried. I really do; it shows that we can rise above petty shipping wars and actually TRY to listen to each other. But…let’s not try again. Yeah? Love you all. *cookies*
I went in that thread earlier today wondering what was being talked about and I left almost immediately afterward because I was uncomfortable so I can’t even imagine how you stayed in there as a moderator. I totally respect that decision and I agree that while the thread had good intentions, it was probably never going to stay sane just due to the passion behind both groups. Good on you guys for trying though! 🙂
#MoreBOOMLessGloomI think the single one reason why I prefer Neal for Emma over Hook is that Neal has RESPECT for other women that AREN’T EMMA.
Two come to mind: Belle and Tinkerbell
Belle:
Neal first met Belle as Lacey. He then met her again as Belle. At no point did Neal disrespect Belle or make any unkind remarks about Lacey. Neal first heard of Belle through the phonecall so he had no idea that Belle and Lacey were the same person. For all Neal knew, on their return from Neverland, it was Lacey that was greeting Rumple at the docks (though Neal did hear that it Belle that help get Pandora’s box to Neverland so when he saw her at the docks he probably twigged that it was Belle.
Hook shot Belle causing her to fall over the town line and lose not only her memories but her identity. He did that because he knew it would hurt Rumple. Belle was a means to an end, nothing more. And that’s the problem. Belle is a person, not a pawn to be used whenever someone sees fit. It really bugs when Hook fans say “Oh he only did it to get back at Rumple for killing Milah” as if that makes it all okay. By that logic, it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to harm Henry in any way in order to get back at Regina. Rumple did wrong, I get that, so Hook directing his revenge at Rumple would be fairplay. Hook stabbing Rumple in Manhattan was fair, Hook taking the shawl from Rumple was fair, Hook using Belle against Rumple was NOT fair. Hook hasn’t even apologised for what he did to Belle.
Tinkerbell:
Neal and Tink had a friendly reunion when they saw each other again. Even when Emma “rejected” him, Neal didn’t come on to Tink.
Hook did. Hook and Tink may have a sexual history together hence why Hook thought it would be okay. However, when Tink refused him, Hook still implied that something had happened between him and Tink, even though it absolutely hadn’t. I know some CSers like to justify it by saying “He was Drunk. He was hurting. He was just trying to make Emma jealous” How is any of that an acceptable excuse when Hook still knew exactly what he was doing?
Say CaptainSwan happened, then one day Hook and Emma had a massive fight. Hook goes out, he’s hurting emotionally, he gets drunk, then decides that he’ll flirt with that cute blonde at the end of the bar. It’d make him feel better with the added bonus that it would make Emma a little jealous. He starts flirting and the blonde responds. They get more drinks and before Hook knows it, thing have escalated and he’s spending the night at the blonde’s place. They sleep together.
Next morning Hook feels guilty about having cheated on Emma. He creeps out the blonde’s place and returns home to Emma. Emma wants to talk through the fight with Hook when she smells the blonde’s perfume on Hook. She accuses him of cheating on her. Hook admits it but says that “he didn’t mean it to happen. He was drunk, he was hurting, it meant nothing”. Should Emma instantly forgive him? Should she stay with him?
If Hook’s answer to emotionally hurting because of Emma is to get drunk and throw himself at the first attractive woman he sees, then CaptainSwan is going to have a big problem. What would’ve happened if Tink had been receptive to Hook’s advances and decided to sleep with him. Would Hook stay with her, or would he just toss her aside the moment it looked like Emma might be showing interest in him again. Emma has trust issues. How can she be confidant that the moment she and Hook have a fight, and he goes off and gets drunk, that he’s not sleeping around
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI think the single one reason why I prefer Neal for Emma over Hook is that Neal has RESPECT for other women that AREN’T EMMA.
I would extend it to men as well. Let’s not forget poor Archie, tied up in the hold of the Jolly Roger, tortured for information about “The Crocodile”
And Hook threatening a cripple, Rumple.
I get that the last one was probably in an effort to save face in front of his crew, so maybe we can rationalize that away but Hook does have a tendency to try and be “big man on campus.” I once compared him to the high school quarterback who knows he’s a rock star and wants to make sure he is given his credit.
Hook shot Belle causing her to fall over the town line and lose not only her memories but her identity. He did that because he knew it would hurt Rumple. Belle was a means to an end, nothing more. And that’s the problem. Belle is a person, not a pawn to be used whenever someone sees fit. It really bugs when Hook fans say “Oh he only did it to get back at Rumple for killing Milah” as if that makes it all okay. By that logic, it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to harm Henry in any way in order to get back at Regina. Rumple did wrong, I get that, so Hook directing his revenge at Rumple would be fairplay. Hook stabbing Rumple in Manhattan was fair, Hook taking the shawl from Rumple was fair, Hook using Belle against Rumple was NOT fair. Hook hasn’t even apologised for what he did to Belle.
He also assaulted her in 209. To be fair, I’ve seen a lot of CSers say that yes Hook should apologize for doing that, something I find hard to swallow. I don’t see how simply apologizing for physically hurting another human being (backhanding her with his hook and then going in for the kill) is a message we send to people.
Hook and Tink may have a sexual history together hence why Hook thought it would be okay.
After 311 I don’t think there is any question about that. I half expected them to do it on the rocks
If Hook’s answer to emotionally hurting because of Emma is to get drunk and throw himself at the first attractive woman he sees, then CaptainSwan is going to have a big problem
Because couples fight and have problems. It’s not a bed of roses. It’s not a fantasy.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Couples fight and have problems but that does not make that behavior okay. I have worked with plenty of women who are dealing with men who is pretty much using them emotionally and sexually to satisfy their own needs.
Using a fight as excuse to cheat is not a good or healthy way to deal with fighting and problems in the relationship but simply adds to it."I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
Couples fight and have problems but that does not make that behavior okay. I have worked with plenty of women who are dealing with men who is pretty much using them emotionally and sexually to satisfy their own needs.
Using a fight as excuse to cheat is not a good or healthy way to deal with fighting and problems in the relationship but simply adds to it.My ex used to do this to me. When I finally told him that I needed a break and to figure out my life, he would make a big show of how he was going out and dancing with other women and would insinuate that other things happened. And, as someone with intense abandonment issues and deep self-loating, I’d go running back intent on making him “love me” again.
It’s a cycle. It’s not healthy. And it’s not how relationships are supposed to work.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Couples fight and have problems but that does not make that behavior okay. I have worked with plenty of women who are dealing with men who is pretty much using them emotionally and sexually to satisfy their own needs.
Using a fight as excuse to cheat is not a good or healthy way to deal with fighting and problems in the relationship but simply adds to it.My ex used to do this to me. When I finally told him that I needed a break and to figure out my life, he would make a big show of how he was going out and dancing with other women and would insinuate that other things happened. And, as someone with intense abandonment issues and deep self-loating, I’d go running back intent on making him “love me” again.
It’s a cycle. It’s not healthy. And it’s not how relationships are supposed to work.
I’m sorry to hear that RG, you deserved better.
The example you gave though was almost exactly what Hook was trying to do to Emma. He insinuated that things had happened with Tink, even though Tink was there saying they hadn’t.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
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