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As for that confession, its funny how to get to CS, Neal had to “die” fall into a portal, Henry had to be kidnapped, Charming nearly dieing, and now we have curse and amnesic Emma. I have to say for Neal and Emma all they need was each other and car to love each other. Because each other was all they needed.
The only chance that Hook has with Emma is when Neal is not around. That is why if Emma does date Hook, I’m glad it is when she 1) is not in her right mind and 2) is when Neal is not around. I can almost guarantee that as soon as Emma remembers who she is (probably from a potion not a CS kiss), then it will be so-long Hook and hello Neal!
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I thought of another reason the jump ahead is good for SF potentially. A lot of people felt Neal wanting to have another chance with Emma was off-putting to them because it was “five minutes” ago he was engaged and thinking he’d marry Tamara.
Now we’ve said that Neal had conflicting feelings, a common trope, often even the premise of movies. All the same a year is long enough to prove he is not inconstant–or for the writers to throw his character under the bus and randomly pair him with someone else, anyone else, just to make CS look more certain and justified since Neal would have blown his chance. If the writers do that, it will be really hard for me to salvage what is left of my overall impression of the writing on this show. It is why I am not on CaptainFairy–even though I liked Ariel’s potential it was always a scenarioI imagined as starting that both she and Hook had broken, unrequited love where the one they thought they loved but did not really know did not. Plus both wanted adventure. The way they did Ariel in canon though did not fit with those ideas.
Neal does know Emma, but of course they have changed over the years. Hook on the other hand–hard to say but feels like the common idea is he would redefine everything in terms of what she wants, even though it is not clear with Milah if he did that. It feels hollow to me in that, shouldn’t he have a personality outside the ship? He was one note revenge in the past, but his Naval days suggested a man wanting to be honorable and important, looked up to in terms of making a mark on society–not longing for home and family. His moment of delighted greed in Anton’s palace seemed like he relishes being a pirate for its own sake of selfish indulgence and the thrill of taking what he wants because he can. It is probably why Cora never upset him on a moral level–fight for what you want or get what you deserve is similar to her no good or evil, just power. How far does he take it? We saw hints he takes it pretty far, but he does have some lines he will not cross, but also many he did.
So it is tough to reconcile his character’s inherent ambiguity, especially if we do not see any scenes of how he acts if he thinks it won’t help him woo Emma or get revenge.
The flashback year might provide more insight as well on how he acts under the assumption that she’s out of the picture, even if he thinks it is temporary, her back is still turned so how does he treat everyone?
If the writers do the surprising thing I’d hoped for CF last season, that they were really friends, it puts both in a good light, and does make it less hopeful for either ship in the sense of “see, he’s horrible, of course she wont’ be with him”–but makes it better and more hopeful for me as someone wanting to see good and consistent character development, not ship-fan fics tossed up on screen without regard to moments that showed more depth before that’s erased with later scenes.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I think Hook’s character may be starting to come to an end. The only three story plot points Hook had going for him were Revenge on Rumple, Neverland and CaptainSwan. Neverland and Revenge on Rumple are done now, and I doubt the CaptainSwanFire triangle will carry on beyond season 3. so When the triangle is resolved and Emma ends up with Neal, it’ll be bye-bye Hook.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI thought of another reason the jump ahead is good for SF potentially. A lot of people felt Neal wanting to have another chance with Emma was off-putting to them because it was “five minutes” ago he was engaged and thinking he’d marry Tamara.
That is an excellent point!
It feels hollow to me in that, shouldn’t he have a personality outside the ship?
Yes! And he’s fricking Captain Hook, so really, they should be able to come up with something for him.
He was one note revenge in the past, but his Naval days suggested a man wanting to be honorable and important, looked up to in terms of making a mark on society–
This is what his redemption arc should be about, him finding a way to get back to that. Obviously he’ll never be that exact same person he was in his Navy days, just like Regina will never be that exact same person she was in her innocent days when she was with Daniel. But Regina’s still got that longing for love, and Hook’s still got that longing for honour, and the impending OutlawQueen stuff means that Regina’s gonna be able to love again, so perhaps there’s hope for Hook to be an honourable man and a productive contributer to society again, too.
I think Hook’s character may be starting to come to an end. The only three story plot points Hook had going for him were Revenge on Rumple, Neverland and CaptainSwan. Neverland and Revenge on Rumple are done now, and I doubt the CaptainSwanFire triangle will carry on beyond season 3. so When the triangle is resolved and Emma ends up with Neal, it’ll be bye-bye Hook.
Colin’s a big draw card though, he’s the fave cast member of many a viewer. The only way I could see them killing him off is if they got the go ahead to do another spinoff, this time about NL, and show all the stuff that went down during his years there.
I thought of another reason the jump ahead is good for SF potentially. A lot of people felt Neal wanting to have another chance with Emma was off-putting to them because it was “five minutes” ago he was engaged and thinking he’d marry Tamara
True. And now it has been a year and maybe we’ll get some more insight into how he feels
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think Hook’s character may be starting to come to an end. The only three story plot points Hook had going for him were Revenge on Rumple, Neverland and CaptainSwan. Neverland and Revenge on Rumple are done now, and I doubt the CaptainSwanFire triangle will carry on beyond season 3. so When the triangle is resolved and Emma ends up with Neal, it’ll be bye-bye Hook.
I disagree but I see what you’re saying. I think there is more story for Hook but the writers need to create it. His entire arc this first half of the season is EMMA EMMA EMMA EMMA. And I think that’s what is wearing on some people. We were in NL and he barely had any interaction with PP! It was all about Emma.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes Captain Hook such a iconic villain to see him reduce to his life goal now is to Win the girl, is just shocking. He has to have a story outside of Emma, and so far he has not.
Although it would be interesting to see how they all interact without Emma and Henry around. I like to think that Neal will be bond with Snowing, Belle and even Regina. They have a lot of memories to share, each can fill in a little of the missing part.
I’m just about tear up thinking about them all siting around a camp fire sharing funny memories and endearing stories about Emma, Henry, and Rumple.
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
Yes Captain Hook such a iconic villain to see him reduce to his life goal now is to Win the girl, is just shocking. He has to have a story outside of Emma, and so far he has not.
They’ve completely swept all the possible conflict outside of Emma and CSF that Hook could have under the rug. He gave up his revenge against Rumple and that’s great but maybe the two could TALK? And Hook once had a heart to heart with Regina. Why not have one again, especially in light of 301 and that conversation at the wheel. We saw Hook hanging out with the dwarves at Granny’s in 310 which was odd because when last they dwarves saw him he was stealing the bean to leave the town to die! How did they get from point A to point B? Even after Regina saved Snow and Emma in 209, Grumpy was highly suspicious of Regina at the party in 210.
I’m just about tear up thinking about them all siting around a camp fire sharing funny memories and endearing stories about Emma, Henry, and Rumple.
:'( now I’m tearing up.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m just about tear up thinking about them all siting around a camp fire sharing funny memories and endearing stories about Emma, Henry, and Rumple.
Snow sharing stories of what Henry was like in school, and Neal just sitting there, intently listening, because it’s the only way he’ll ever be able to get to know his son now. WAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!! 🙁
Ranisha Pitts wrote: I’m just about tear up thinking about them all siting around a camp fire sharing funny memories and endearing stories about Emma, Henry, and Rumple.
Snow sharing stories of what Henry was like in school, and Neal just sitting there, intently listening, because it’s the only way he’ll ever be able to get to know his son now. WAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
ARG. Angst!!!
Neal telling Snowing what Emma was like as a teenager….
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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