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That is a disturbing Emma/Hook gif set. But it illustrates why the CS “romance” doesn’t work for me. Leaving someone for dead twice should be a romantic deal breaker in any circumstance.
I look forward to the new perspective on things that Emma will have after regaining her memories. In Emma’s previous reality (real reality?) she gave up Henry and put her feelings in a box, choosing not to deal with them. Her reaction to Neal in Manhattan was raw pain. However, raising Henry will have forced her to deal with Neal and the way he left and to have processed some of her emotions. Not all. Neal left and it still hurts Emma, but everytime Henry makes a friend they both have to address where his dad is. Every parent/teacher conference Emma has to confront Neal’s absence. Anything that happened during the Lost Year are real memories. I think that when Neal and Emma meet again, she will be coming from a different emotional place. Still angry, but not raw.
I loved Emma’s apartment. Emma and Henry had quite a lot of plants and flowers. Subconsciously trying to connect with the Enchanted Forest?
After meeting Henry, did Neal have time to draw his picture? Is that something that Emma could have found in his apartment that has her saying, “This isn’t possible”? The dreamcatcher suggests to Emma that Neal missed her, maybe loved her, and a drawing of Henry suggests that Hook is telling the truth and Neal knew about 11 year old Henry.
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I look forward to the new perspective on things that Emma will have after regaining her memories. In Emma’s previous reality (real reality?) she gave up Henry and put her feelings in a box, choosing not to deal with them. Her reaction to Neal in Manhattan was raw pain. However, raising Henry will have forced her to deal with Neal and the way he left and to have processed some of her emotions. Not all. Neal left and it still hurts Emma, but everytime Henry makes a friend they both have to address where his dad is. Every parent/teacher conference Emma has to confront Neal’s absence. Anything that happened during the Lost Year are real memories. I think that when Neal and Emma meet again, she will be coming from a different emotional place. Still angry, but not raw.
Yes, this version of Emma will be less “walls up” and much happier overall, because she has Henry, her true love, in her life. Although she’ll still wonder how Neal could have left her to go to prison, she’ll also have the knowledge that something good (aka Henry) came from them being together. As much resentment as cursed Emma probably has, she also probably has a sense of acceptance and even gratitude that her relationship with Neal gave her Henry. She won’t have felt alone or as cheated by fate now that she believes that she at least got a chance to be happy with her kid. As she said at the end of 3×11, “My family is right here” meaning Henry.
I loved Emma’s apartment. Emma and Henry had quite a lot of plants and flowers. Subconsciously trying to connect with the Enchanted Forest?
Maybe. Potted plants represent rootedness. Her implanted memories are probably of being planted in one spot with Henry instead of being a loner who moved around a lot. Having a kid probably means she has a community where Henry’s school is. Emma may be friends with the moms of Henry’s friends. She might be a member of his elementary school’s PTA. Cursed Emma might even have a steady boyfriend. Everything in her life has changed, because Regina wanted her to have a good life with happy memories. It’s just going to be painful emotionally when she wakes up and realizes she never kept her son. 🙁
After meeting Henry, did Neal have time to draw his picture? Is that something that Emma could have found in his apartment that has her saying, “This isn’t possible”? The dreamcatcher suggests to Emma that Neal missed her, maybe loved her, and a drawing of Henry suggests that Hook is telling the truth and Neal knew about 11 year old Henry.
That’s a great point! Neal is an artist just like his mom, Milha! I’d love to see Neal have drawn a portrait of his son. However, I’m not sure he had the time between meeting Henry for the first time and his father nearly dying, and returning to SB. But perhaps Neal has drawn a portrait of Henry from memory since being back in the Enchanted Forest. If so, Neal might have given the portrait of Henry to Hook with the instructions to show it to Emma so that she’ll listen to whatever Hook has to say.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
That is a disturbing Emma/Hook gif set. But it illustrates why the CS “romance” doesn’t work for me. Leaving someone for dead twice should be a romantic deal breaker in any circumstance
This bring up a good point about something I’ve always wondered. What does the casual audience member remember? Do they remember S2 Hook the Villain and everything he did. Or has S3 Hook the Hero arc completely washed all that away. We remember cause we’re not normal casual viewers. Something I wonder…
I look forward to the new perspective on things that Emma will have after regaining her memories. In Emma’s previous reality (real reality?) she gave up Henry and put her feelings in a box, choosing not to deal with them. Her reaction to Neal in Manhattan was raw pain. However, raising Henry will have forced her to deal with Neal and the way he left and to have processed some of her emotions. Not all. Neal left and it still hurts Emma, but everytime Henry makes a friend they both have to address where his dad is. Every parent/teacher conference Emma has to confront Neal’s absence. Anything that happened during the Lost Year are real memories. I think that when Neal and Emma meet again, she will be coming from a different emotional place. Still angry, but not raw.
That is a fantastic point. Henry was such a surprise to Emma in S1 because he was not only her child but a constant reminder of Neal (we’ve all seen the GIF set of how similar they made Neal and Henry). Is it possible that this version of Emma will not be so damaged because she thinks she had her son all along?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Molly–I love that speculation idea ! I was hoping maybe Henry had pictures on his camera, and although we didn’t see them load up her bug, maybe they had time to throw a few things in it. He mentions having a camera in Manhattan when they are about to go to the museum. What if there’s a photo of a Neal on there? Though your idea of Neal finally drawing again, as in a sign of him finally having hope after the second meeting with Emma is really lovely. I bet the whole time he was with Emma the first time he half-knew disaster would strike, the the crazy Shadow would appear or something–and he got a wooden robot telling him to leave the woman he loves and steer clear for 10 years so she can break a curse. After meeting Henry and his father though, part of him maybe started to get over it. At some point he realized he had to stop running from that past and stand his ground, and I’d like it that (though it isn’t SF & Emma so much) Henry is what gives him the strength. Emma more or less found the same feeling eventually too.
I also agree it’s just a bit exaggerated to complain about Neal’s relationship with Tamara –but it’s like there’s this varying level of realism or fantasy people sort of expect for the behavior here. It’s not realistic we’ll say for this or that to happen, but then it’s not realistic for some other things. The whole show is a fantasy–and when you have a pirate in leather spouting lines straight out of classic movies, it does sort of play back into the fairy-tale and fantasy side. So perhaps people just don’t feel it has to be realistic–but then Neal in his ordinary clothes, with no established classic character, having spent time in “the real world” –he just has to be more realistic people think. I say there’s fantasy either way.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I also agree it’s just a bit exaggerated to complain about Neal’s relationship with Tamara –but it’s like there’s this varying level of realism or fantasy people sort of expect for the behavior here.
While I do think the Tamara issue needs to be dealt with, I think it has less to do with Neal as a character and more to do with A and E wanting to forget that GOAT ever happened. There was such a backlash about that storyline–from THO to the tazer–that I think they want the audience to forget she ever existed. It’s not really fair to Neal’s character and it’s not fair to CS (see you lurkers. I can see your POV sometimes) but it’s not cause Neal is a bad guy or is swinging back and forth, it’s because A and E are business men on top of being writers and want their product to be long lasting, so you remove elements that were distasteful. I’ll never be convinced that they didn’t have MORE to say about THO and Tamara. But it got shoved under the mattress for the sake of appeasing the larger masses.
Loving this speculation about cameras and Henry!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Here is something interesting from Tumblr
– Fate, destiny whatever you wanna call it –
8:15 – 8+15 = 23 (LOST numbers)Would someone who watched “LOST” please tell me the significance of the numbers 8:15 and 23?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Would someone who watched “LOST” please tell me the significance of the numbers 8:15 and 23?
Gladly.
LOST centers around the crash of Oceanic Flight 815. It’s the plane that brings everyone together on the mysterious island. If you wanna get extra into it: that plane was meant to crash, it was fate and destiny that everyone was brought together. As Locke says
Me, well, I’m a man of faith. Do you really think all this is an accident — that we, a group of strangers survived, many of us with just superficial injuries? Do you think we crashed on this place by coincidence — especially, this place? We were brought here for a purpose, for a reason, all of us. Each one of us was brought here for a reason
The plane literally brings people together.
23 is one of the “set” numbers: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 which appears ALL OVER THE PLACE in LOST. You enter the numbers into a computer and (without being dramatic) you save the world. (100x more complicated than this, but go with it).
Here are all the appearances of the # 23 in the show LOST. Of greatest significance (to me) is that the main character, Jack Shepherd–the Savior–, is # 23 on Jacob’s Wall of people (don’t ask. Go with it).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Gladly. LOST centers around the crash of Oceanic Flight 815. It’s the plane that brings everyone together on the mysterious island
Interesting! So 8:15 really is a sign of destiny! And we all know Emma Swan and Neal Cassidy were destined to be together.
Here are all the appearances of the # 23 in the show LOST. Of greatest significance (to me) is that the main character, Jack Shepherd–the Savior–, is # 23 on Jacob’s Wall of people (don’t ask. Go with it).
I take it he’s the hero of the story, as is Emma. Interesting!
Also, I saw this GIF set with Hook’s head pasted on the body of Prince Edward from Disney’s “Enchanted.”
Exclusive footage of Hook looking for Emma in NYC
It’s pretty great. Hook just doesn’t belong in Emma’s world of NYC. Neal is a native of that city. Also, we all know who Giselle ends up with in Enchanted. It’s not Prince Edward. It’s the New Yorker guy, Robert.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Interesting! So 8:15 really is a sign of destiny! And we all know Emma Swan and Neal Cassidy were destined to be together.
I edited my post while you were responding but the plan 815 literally brings everyone together for their destiny. As John Locke says in the S1 finale:
Me, well, I’m a man of faith. Do you really think all this is an accident — that we, a group of strangers survived, many of us with just superficial injuries? Do you think we crashed on this place by coincidence — especially, this place? We were brought here for a purpose, for a reason, all of us. Each one of us was brought here for a reason
So yes. 8:15 is sorta the number of destiny
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"“Livin’ on a prayer” By Bon Jovi reminds me of SwanFire
“We got to hold on to what we got
It doesn’t make a difference if we make it or not
We got each other and that’s a lot for love
We’ll give it a shot”CaptainSwan would be bad for Emma due to her trust issues and Hook’s tendency to try and cop off with the first attractive woman he sees when things don’t go his way.
Hook’s going to be that fling that Emma will always regret and go “what was I thinking?” over.
All magic comes with a price!
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