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Phee wrote: So let’s say that by the latter half of S2, they’d decided that that was gonna be the new triangle, which is why they wrote August being turned into a kid again, (I’ll be forever annoyed by that nonsense), but they still kept writing Hook as doing crappy stuff, even right up to the recent eps, like the thing with hitting on Tink. Meanwhile, they’ve still been writing Neal as being in love with Emma, and vice versa, but it being hard for them to get it together. So while they might have re-imagined the specifics of the triangle, and as a result have been throwing in some CS moments here and there, it seems to me that their original endgame vision is still intact. Quote
101 % agree with this notion! I was re-reading a post I wrote over a year ago at the debut of “Tallahassee” concerning August, Neal and Emma. Even I’m amazed that I recognized SF as being True Love straight off the the bat. I’d actually started out wishing Captain Swan to happen! It’s been over a year, and I’m amazed that even then, I recognized the writers as wanting to denigrate August’s character in order to preserve the integrity of Neal as Emma’s true love! Looking back, I think that I only wanted Hook with Emma in the short-term, because of the “challenge” that they represent to one another, but even then, I realized how truly Emma loved Neal. What solidified it for me was seeing “Manhattan” and then “Second Star to the Right.” To me, it just seems obvious that while Emma and Hook may have a fling, Emma and Neal are each others’ true loves! They’re two lost children who found each other in an otherwise cruel world, dreamed of a home together but were torn asunder by outside forces. Neverthless, their love remains. The rest of their story is about how two people who love each other, but were separated, can nevertheless learn to work that out. Emma and Neal’s reconciliation is a story of hope, because it flies in the face of today’s western world in which a lot of couples never learn to work out their issues, forgive, or reconcile. Emma and Neal giving up because of the curse or Emma’s destiny as the savior would seem empty, unhappy, and desolate in my opinion. The point of their story is that real-life couples can overcome adversity to learn to forgive and reunite, that love does overcome hurt, and that second chances are possible in an age when people are in desperate need of another go at life. That is why Emma and Neal’s story represents hope, because Emma and Neal are most like us; they’ve both grown up in our world where most people don’t get another chance, don’t get to reunite with their first loves, and don’t get to atone for their mistakes. Yet, if Emma and Neal can make it work, then it gives everyday normal people hope that they can make their relationships work, even when there is a history of pain, misunderstanding and disappointment. Real life isn’t always a fairytale like Snow and Charming, who never seem to lose faith in one another except when they’re cursed. So often, real-life couples mess up, make mistakes, say things they don’t mean, and hurt each other when they don’t want to. Emma and Neal’s relationship, though influenced by supernatural events, is still seemingly normal compared to heroic tales, and so I can’t help but root for their everyday fairytale to come true!
Perfect post is perfect!!!! <3 😀
Someone asked up thread about how much the casual viewer remembers about previous things on the show and I have a few friends who I can ask so I think I'm going to do that this week. I have two friends who watch the show and while they're big social media fans, they don't participate in any of the fandoms and for the most part, don't really ship anyone per se and a couple of friends who prefer SwanFire but don't participate in the OUAT media stuff either. They're just watching and enjoying the show for the most part. Here's a few tweets from them during the last few episodes.
"I like Hook so the end didn't bother me. *runs and hides* Actually I like Emma on her own and Hook just seemed in character." (I had mentioned that I thought Hook was annoying when he found Emma in NYC, just to put her tweet in context)
"It's never good when the people who write/create the show take sides :-\ "
"I'm totally traumatized too. I need to go finish getting ready for leaving but I'm still sitting here in shock" (Friend who doesn't follow OUAT fandom online but does use social media)
"I don't think these writers are like that... =P #SwanFire " (Written to me b-c I was worried the PSA results would influence how A&E write OUAT...this is a friend who prefers SwanFire but doesn't follow any OUAT boards at all and is mainly a JMo fan)
It does make you wonder what the 'regular' fans think about things because from just my other friends, they're all over the place with the show, LOL 😆 (BTW-I've posted a lot of SwanFire Tumblr stuff on Twitter lately and none of the non shippers have blocked me yet so I guess they don't mind a ton of SwanFire posts!)
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#MoreBOOMLessGloomSlurpeez–yes! I see that in this story and I hope it plays out that way. I agree with Phee that s3 had many moments to suggest they were not wrapping up things between these two as a neat and tidy, she wants to move on. “Its not over” Neal said and I hope we get to see the writers continue to unspool more of the story that ties these two together.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Someone asked up thread about how much the casual viewer remembers about previous things on the show and I have a few friends who I can ask so I think I’m going to do that this week.
That was me.
I see a lot of posts that “the casual viewer ships CS” and that it was designed for the casual viewer.
I have no idea if that is true or false and there is NO way to demonstrate that using any sort of scientific method I’m familiar with. So when someone says, “well I know two or three people who ship CS and they are casual viewers ipso facto all casual viewers ship CS” my mind does somersaults because it’s a fallacy of logic given that 2 or 3 people is not an accurate representative sample of a 9-11 million people viewing audience. And if they’re shipping, actually wanting two people to be together to the point where they have declared allegiance, then they aren’t necessarily your casual viewer.
TV is weird, guys.
Anyway. Slurpeez I keep re-reading your post from above. It’s so accurate and spot on.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It’s officially 12am Sunday on the East Coast!
Sunday #1 without ONCE. 11 more to go.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"heatherc1275 wrote: Someone asked up thread about how much the casual viewer remembers about previous things on the show and I have a few friends who I can ask so I think I’m going to do that this week.
That was me. I see a lot of posts that “the casual viewer ships CS” and that it was designed for the casual viewer. I have no idea if that is true or false and there is NO way to demonstrate that using any sort of scientific method I’m familiar with. So when someone says, “well I know two or three people who ship CS and they are casual viewers ipso facto all casual viewers ship CS” my mind does somersaults because it’s a fallacy of logic given that 2 or 3 people is not an accurate representative sample of a 9-11 million people viewing audience. And if they’re shipping, actually wanting two people to be together to the point where they have declared allegiance, then they aren’t necessarily your casual viewer. TV is weird, guys. Anyway. Slurpeez I keep re-reading your post from above. It’s so accurate and spot on.
Yeah, it’s almost impossible to figure out what the casual viewer thinks because all of my friends who watch OUAT are part of social media and talk about the show at least in some small capacity there so do they count as casual fans? I have one great friend on Facebook who is definitely a SwanFire fan although she’s definitely not a shipper. She does however like several of my SF Tumblr things when I post them there and someday I’ll get up the nerve to ask her if she really likes them or just likes the pictures, LOL 😆
I keep looking back at the MRJ being adorkable GIF set and cracking up laughing because of all the win in that set. That MTV interview should have just been Jen and MRJ because they were a two person comedy act for a while there! 😆
That Neal post is amazing too and I’ve also re-read it a few times. He seriously needs some happiness at the end of S3 and I am hoping really hard that this is something in their plans. He desperately needs to have something good happen for him because IMO, you make a show a lot harder to watch when you have one character who keeps getting the crap beat out of him. You have to balance things out or else fans start getting annoyed (and after the Twitter drama of yesterday, I think these writers need to tread carefully). I will continue to be astonished whenever someone tries to turn Neal into a villain because that’s just NOT THERE in any episodes that I’ve seen and I’ve seen them all. Weird people are weird. 🙁
#MoreBOOMLessGloomThat Neal post is amazing too and I’ve also re-read it a few times. He seriously needs some happiness at the end of S3 and I am hoping really hard that this is something in their plans. He desperately needs to have something good happen for him because IMO, you make a show a lot harder to watch when you have one character who keeps getting the crap beat out of him
He is totally the punching bag of ONCE right now.
Cute kid looses mother in an affair. Cute kid looses father to dark curse. Cute kids looses his “real” family in act of heroism. Cute kid is traded by mother’s ex-lover to evil minions on dark island. Cute kid is forced to be 14 for 200 years in a cave. Cute kid meets the love of his life. Adorable guy must give up love of his life cause destiny. Adorable guy is alone for 10 years. Adorable guy makes ONE MISTAKE and is HATED by fandom. Adorable guy finds out he has a son and almost looses father in one week. Adorable guy is shot. Adorable guy has to go back to dark island of mismatched toys. Adorable guy had fight with papa. Adorable guy is put in a cage. Adorable guy is rescued by love of his life who says that the pain they went through is super painful. Adorable guy almost looses son. Adorable guy is stood up. Adorable guy looses father. Adorable guy looses love of his life and his son and is sent back home.
Seriously. The heck.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"heatherc1275 wrote: That Neal post is amazing too and I’ve also re-read it a few times. He seriously needs some happiness at the end of S3 and I am hoping really hard that this is something in their plans. He desperately needs to have something good happen for him because IMO, you make a show a lot harder to watch when you have one character who keeps getting the crap beat out of him
He is totally the punching bag of ONCE right now. Cute kid looses mother in an affair. Cute kid looses father to dark curse. Cute kids looses his “real” family in act of heroism. Cute kid is traded by mother’s ex-lover to evil minions on dark island. Cute kid is forced to be 14 for 200 years in a cave. Cute kid meets the love of his life. Adorable guy must give up love of his life cause destiny. Adorable guy is alone for 10 years. Adorable guy makes ONE MISTAKE and is HATED by fandom. Adorable guy finds out he has a son and almost looses father in one week. Adorable guy is shot. Adorable guy has to go back to dark island of mismatched toys. Adorable guy had fight with papa. Adorable guy is put in a cage. Adorable guy is rescued by love of his life who says that the pain they went through is super painful. Adorable guy almost looses son. Adorable guy is stood up. Adorable guy looses father. Adorable guy looses love of his life and his son and is sent back home. Seriously. The heck.
Someone send this post to A&E with the tagline at the end too (THE HECK??!). I’m hoping with the Eion Bailey is returning to OUAT news that things start turning a little bit for him. I’m hoping REALLY hard that Mick’s theory is on the right track towards what we might see sometime in S3 part 2 because it fills in a lot of back story and establishes Neal & Emma’s connection even more which may actually gain SwanFire a lot more fans. 🙂
BTW-The other GIF set that I keep going back to tonight? The Hook one with him as the prince from Enchanted getting smacked around in NYC. Boy did I need to laugh tonight and that GIF set just cracks me up, LOL 😆
#MoreBOOMLessGloom101 % agree with this notion! I was re-reading a post I wrote over a year ago at the debut of “Tallahassee” concerning August, Neal and Emma. Even I’m amazed that I recognized SF as being True Love straight off the the bat. I’d actually started out wishing Captain Swan to happen! It’s been over a year, and I’m amazed that even then, I recognized the writers as wanting to denigrate August’s character in order to preserve the integrity of Neal as Emma’s true love! Looking back, I think that I only wanted Hook with Emma in the short-term, because of the “challenge” that they represent to one another, but even then, I realized how truly Emma loved Neal. What solidified it for me was seeing “Manhattan” and then “Second Star to the Right.” To me, it just seems obvious that while Emma and Hook may have a fling, Emma and Neal are each others’ true loves! They’re two lost children who found each other in an otherwise cruel world, dreamed of a home together but were torn asunder by outside forces. Neverthless, their love remains. The rest of their story is about how two people who love each other, but were separated, can nevertheless learn to work that out. Emma and Neal’s reconciliation is a story of hope, because it flies in the face of today’s western world in which a lot of couples never learn to work out their issues, forgive, or reconcile. Emma and Neal giving up because of the curse or Emma’s destiny as the savior would seem empty, unhappy, and desolate in my opinion. The point of their story is that real-life couples can overcome adversity to learn to forgive and reunite, that love does overcome hurt, and that second chances are possible in an age when people are in desperate need of another go at life. That is why Emma and Neal’s story represents hope, because Emma and Neal are most like us; they’ve both grown up in our world where most people don’t get another chance, don’t get to reunite with their first loves, and don’t get to atone for their mistakes. Yet, if Emma and Neal can make it work, then it gives everyday normal people hope that they can make their relationships work, even when there is a history of pain, misunderstanding and disappointment. Real life isn’t always a fairytale like Snow and Charming, who never seem to lose faith in one another except when they’re cursed. So often, real-life couples mess up, make mistakes, say things they don’t mean, and hurt each other when they don’t want to. Emma and Neal’s relationship, though influenced by supernatural events, is still seemingly normal compared to heroic tales, and so I can’t help but root for their everyday fairytale to come true!
That is how I see as well. Neal,Emma, and Henry are modern everyday fairytale a new story to be told. They bring the viewers hope and faith in love and forgiveness. They remind us that we to can get second chance in life. I agree that if Swanfire does not work out I would be very disappointed with the series so much buildup and potential for a really good story to only have it fizzle it out just amazes me. And what would the message be that there is no hope or second chances unless you are a “pretty” villain. Because we all know Rumple, Regina, and Hook will get a second chance. And sadly it seems so will Snowing, Emma, and Henry. So it only sadden me if Neal, a good character, will not be offer that same opportunity at a second chance and to see his hope shatter into a million different pieces. Because it would mean he lost his mother and his love to the same person all over, that family unit torn apart yet again.
What will disappoints me the most is in all honesty there was no need to have Neal still longing and wish to fight for his second chance at happy ending with his family. Neal and Emma could have made peace with each other and moved on in S2. Also that dialogue is very questionable as well, “You want second a chance with that man”, “I see the way you look at her”, “One thing I know about you, you always find what you are looking for”, “You still carry a torch for Emma”, “Not a day goes by that I don’t regret leaving you”, “I’m sorry Emma,for everything”, “I love you, I need you,” “He always Neal to me, and Neal taught me that,” “I never stop fighting for you,” etc etc etc. All these points to a direction of two people who wants to be together but don’t know how to get past the hurt.
Emma said something about Neal in his cave, she said he lost hope. I always wanted to know what gave him hope and the belief that he can leave Neverland. Was it Tink telling him that some day he will find his happy ending in the most unexpected places. (And why didn’t we get that flash back with the others!) I really want to know what gave Neal hope. One thing is for certain that Neal seem to have hope that he will see his family again, and we all know all happy endings begin with hope.
sidenote: I do wonder if Hook will realize that love between Emma, Neal, and Henry is true. And that will caused him to honestly back off this time because he doesn’t want to be apart of breaking Bae’s heart once again or hearing the words echoing in his ears, “you tore apart my family.” Or will history repeat itself and Henry will echo his father’s word to Hook. Because Henry wants and believes that his parents will be back together. Talk about an emotional conflicting scene.
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I agree with everything Ranisha wrote.
sidenote: I do wonder if Hook will realize that love between Emma, Neal, and Henry is true. And that will caused him to honestly back off this time because he doesn’t want to be apart of breaking Bae’s heart once again or hearing the words echoing in his ears, “you tore apart my family.” Or will history repeat itself and Henry will echo his father’s word to Hook. Because Henry wants and believes that his parents will be back together. Talk about an emotional conflicting scene.
I would hope Hook would back down if there is suddenly absolute proof that SwanFire is TL.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Reposting cause of the pretty feels
The daughter of light and the son of darkness as true love. Poetry, guys. Sheer poetry.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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