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I don’t think CaptainSwan was ever set up from the very beginning as some CSers like to claim based on the fact that in order to use Hook, A&E had to get the rights, and if they couldn’t get the rights, they would’ve looked foolish to set up something they couldn’t then use.
SwanFire they could easily set up from the beginning without having to worry about rights issues.
I like Neal. Admittedly there has been moments when I’ve thought “Why Neal Why?” such as when Neal rejected Rumple in Nasty Habits and in the first few episodes Hook was okay enough that I kept switching between CaptainSwan and SwanFire until Hook ruined it in Dark Hollow and cemented it in The New Neverland.
If I had to pick one feature I liked about Neal, it would be his respect for others. Even without Emma watching, Neal treats other people with respect. Neal had every right to hate Belle, he first met her as Lacey and that is when he caught her and Rumple intimidating Whale, yet he treats Belle nicely. He doesn’t try and use her against Rumple in any way unlike a certain pirate.
Neal doesn’t harass Emma or try and seduce her all the time, unlike Hook. Neal gave Emma a choice, no pressure, with the assurance that if she doesn’t want to be with him, he’ll “quit bugging” her. Hook is constantly on Emma’s case. How much of Emma’s “reciprocation” towards Hook, such as the CS kiss, were because Emma wasn’t thinking straight, her emotions were all over the place and she basically gave in to Hook’s demands because it was easier to do that than to try and keep fighting him all the time?
I think the reason Emma admitted about the CS kiss to Snow even though it meant “nothing” wasn’t because it actually meant “something” but because Emma felt guilty about it. Emma doesn’t seem like the type to intentionally lead people on. She’s well aware of Hook’s feelings for her and she doesn’t like giving mixed messages. Emma’s emotions were all over the place when she kissed Hook and she recognises that, she knows she’s made Hook think he stands a chance. Besides the kiss, what other interactions has Emma had with Hook that were definitely a CS moment? Emma seems to not respond to Hook’s advances a lot of the time.
Hook admitted himself on the beanstalk that he “loves a challenge”. Emma is a challenge to him hence why he is so interested in her. I have often compared Hook to Disney’s Gaston and the comparisons keep growing. Gaston had three attractive blondes fawning after him yet he wanted Belle despite her complete lack of interest in him because he considered her the most beautiful and therefore “the best”. Hook, by his own admission, had had “many a man’s wife”. Hook could go out and find a woman who would do anything for him (a lot of Hookers would jump at the chance) yet he is hanging around Emma, why? Because she is a challenge and one Hook intends to “win”. Hook is the type of man that enjoys the chase rather than the rewards. With the exception of Milah, Hook hasn’t really stuck by any woman he’s seduced.
If we ignore both Hook and Neal’s actions before Neverland, there is still evidence for why Neal is the better option for Emma.
Neal: Is willing to forgive those that have hurt him in the past, is respectful of others including women that aren’t Emma even if they’ve given him the impression they’re no good (Lacey), is trying to be a good father to his son, gives Emma the choice of whether she wants to pursue a relationship with him with the assurance that if she doesn’t he won’t bother her.
Hook: Tells Emma he “will” win her heart, tells his love rival that he’s going to give him a chance with Emma (really? It’s so nice of Hook to decide who Emma should have a chance to date), throws himself at another woman just because he’s drunk and not getting what he wants, disrespects that woman by implying that something happened between them even though the woman denies it, tries to make Emma jealous by implying that he’s got something going on with another woman.
Hook may be attractive but there’s nothing romantic about him.
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Keeper of FelixPOM, love your entire post. Have a cookie!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"How’s everyone doing? Hanging in there? I think I a lot of us are taking a break from everything.
I came on today to do a forum check and there was a debate going on in the chat about how SF is basically over and has run its course.
*sigh*
Hang in there guys. Luna and POM made a lot of great points
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"POM: marvelous!
Doing good RG, I missed that debate, SF run its course it hasn’t had a chance to run it course because Neal and Emma never got a chance to accomplish that because obstacles keep happening that prevents them from reuniting. I honestly think something prevented Neal from being the one to be at that door, we are talking about a guy who hopped on a shadow from another realm to be reunited with his family.
So going with Cassidy law, I am led to believe that something tragically happen to Neal (because that is often the case withe Nealfire) that prevents him from getting back to his family.
Then there is something I notice, no SF kiss we get hugging, but no Kiss. Now I know the set up has not been applicable (we could have gotten at least a tiny peck.) But they are avoiding this for a reason, because when it does happen, it will be big. And the fact we have yet to swan keychain (a big symbol from season 1, a symbol that you just don’t let slip away) means that it will show up again.
So yes its hard days for us, like it was hard days for (S1) Snowing, and hard days for (S2) Rumbelle. Thus it will be for (S3) Swanfire. Be prepared OutlawQueen shippers, be prepared, you got S4.
Every time I think perhaps the love that Emma and Neal share is merely platonic my gut just says that’s not true, they love each other, and its more than just friends.
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POM: marvelous! Doing good RG, I missed that debate, SF run its course it hasn’t had a chance to run it course because Neal and Emma never got a chance to accomplish that because obstacles keep happening that prevents them from reuniting. I honestly think something prevented Neal from being the one to be at that door, we are talking about a guy who hopped on a shadow from another realm to be reunited with his family. So going with Cassidy law, I am led to believe that something tragically happen to Neal (because that is often the case withe Nealfire) that prevents him from getting back to his family. Then there is something I notice, no SF kiss we get hugging, but no Kiss. Now I know the set up has not been applicable (we could have gotten at least a tiny peck.) But they are avoiding this for a reason, because when it does happen, it will be big. And the fact we have yet to swan keychain (a big symbol from season 1, a symbol that you just don’t let slip away) means that it will show up again. So yes its hard days for us, like it was hard days for (S1) Snowing, and hard days for (S2) Rumbelle. Thus it will be for (S3) Swanfire. Be prepared OutlawQueen shippers, be prepared, you got S4. Every time I think perhaps the love that Emma and Neal share is merely platonic my gut just says that’s not true, they love each other, and its more than just friends.
I totally agree with you, if was endgame they would simply let them having a talk or even on 3×06 having a kiss, but the fact they never let them be alone to talk, or even in the rush of the moment share a kiss, come on emma kissed hook becuase, now the fact that she didnt kiss neal, a men that she says loves, means something big, my bet and hope is that if they kiss, with will show TL kiss reaction, meaning they are meant to be together, and that cannot happen so soon in the show, not while they want to sell cs , to the audience and to gain money from it, i mean even the magazines win money with cs, becuase they see how much, ok, im going to say it , some fans are obessed with this ship, that is the reason why Entertaiment weekly spoiled the kiss 2 weeks before, and why questions about neal always end with hook, without even having answered about neal.
I also think that is neal on the gurney, that we see on promo shot, that is what prevent him of once again going after emma and henry, well, that in the fact that the writers, want to make fan service to cs.
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Just beautiful and I’m listening to Flames from the movie crash and I just can’t with the feels especially when you get to about 2 minutes into the music.
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A family reunited in faith, hope, and love is the happiest ending to any story if I ever saw one!
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Excellent post, PoM!!
I’ve yet to see Emma really show any sort of care towards Hook other then a friend or comrade. Hook may show his feelings toward her but you would think she would reciprocate them or show a bit of interest in what he said to her? Nope haven’t seen it.
What we’ve seen in S3, is her downplaying the kiss, and not even seeking him out for alone time, not even a private conversation, when they were back in SB. And at the town line, she didn’t even tell him that she’d think of him too, or imply that she’d miss him, she wasn’t even gonna give him a personal goodbye until he walked up to her. I just don’t get the impression from Emma that she’s seriously interested in him at all. She’s not that emotionally affected by or attached to him at all IMO. In contrast, she’s been having ALL THE EMOTIONS (including undying love) in relation to Neal. I don’t use the word “contrast” lightly, because her attitudes towards each of them really do seem like night and day to me.
Hook doesn’t really know Emma at all as a person. I believe he’s in love with the idea of her. Strong, brave, speaks her mind woman that he idealize just like we idealize certain celebrities and how they portray themselves on the exterior. But we don’t know anything behind the scenes then what we are shown. Neal knows her, at her best and worst because of their time together. I’m predicting in the end Hook will come to realize that he has the capacity to love again. I think Emma just helps point the direction for him.
Love than analogy of how we perceive celebs. Basically, Hook hasn’t been around Emma in a type of situation where he can actually know her properly. In the grand scheme of things, they haven’t actually spent that much time together, and none of the time they have spent together has been just regular, chilling out, downtime, getting to know you kinda situation, and half the time they’ve been on opposing sides. He quite simply has not been in a situation with her where he’s had the opportunity to see all sides of her. The sides he has seen of her, I can totally get why he’d be attracted to her, but he just doesn’t know her on that multi-layered level where you can say that you truly know and love someone.
In contrast, (again, not using the word lightly), Neal lived in very close quarters with her back in the day. They struggled together, they were a team who worked together so they could survive, and he knows her pain of having grown up feeling abandoned and alone. Neal knows Emma inside and out, all the good and all the bad, and he accepts and understands it all. He may not have told Emma specifics of his life back in the day, but I don’t think he ever misrepresented the type of person he was, so the person she fell in love with was completely real. And in recent times, she’s been discovering new things about him, which has served to deepen her understanding of him.
I missed that debate, SF run its course it hasn’t had a chance to run it course because Neal and Emma never got a chance to accomplish that because obstacles keep happening that prevents them from reuniting.
When people say that SF has run it’s course, that’s one of those moments where I wonder if they’re watching the same show as me. How is Neal declaring that they’ll see each other again a means of them showing closure for that relationship? If they intended to show that SF was over, done with, kaput, 100% closure, they’d have given Hook the line about them seeing each other again, which would have led perfectly into him showing up at her door, which would have advanced the CS plot and indicated that the SF plot wasn’t a thing any more. But that’s not what they did. Instead we had Neal being the only one to give her hope that they’d see each other again, and now we have a shot in the promo of Emma with their dream catcher which is a major (like, MAJOR) callback to the time when they were together, and also the time they were reunited.
So I dunno man, subjective lens and shipper bias and all, but it seems to me that stuff like that it just basic story construction logic type stuff that very clearly indicates that the story of Emma and Neal is very much an ongoing thing.
Love than analogy of how we perceive celebs. Basically, Hook hasn’t been around Emma in a type of situation where he can actually know her properly. In the grand scheme of things, they haven’t actually spent that much time together, and none of the time they have spent together has been just regular, chilling out, downtime, getting to know you kinda situation, and half the time they’ve been on opposing sides. He quite simply has not been in a situation with her where he’s had the opportunity to see all sides of her. The sides he has seen of her, I can totally get why he’d be attracted to her, but he just doesn’t know her on that multi-layered level where you can say that you truly know and love someone.
Every Emma and Hook interlude is “danger! danger! danger!” which is the stuff Emma doesn’t want. She wants a home and family and moments. Hook likes to climb beanstalks and sail ships and fight. And that’s OK! He’s a pirate. But I think it would be such a sad turn for his character if he gave all that up.
So I dunno man, subjective lens and shipper bias and all, but it seems to me that stuff like that it just basic story construction logic type stuff that very clearly indicates that the story of Emma and Neal is very much an ongoing thing.
I saw the conversation and went back to my Walking Dead marathon. We need something new soon cause people are getting antsy.
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