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*sniff* Oh, my. Who put a lovelorn curse on our Stiltskin men? Really. Can’t just one of them be happy in love. They really need to nip it in the bud and crush it before Henry gets too old and has his heart broken multiple times. Why can’t any of my guys just be happy.
Because if true love were easy…..
Remember that post we had awhile back about how SF isn’t for the faint of heart? We keep getting knocked down and yet somehow we’re still here.
#hope
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"3.9 I have to say Regina referring Neal as Emma’s person. I love neither Regina nor Neal could formulate what they are to each other. Them firing the can(n)on together. And that Lost boy and Lost girl hugging their parents together!
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
3.9 I have to say Regina referring Neal as Emma’s person. I love neither Regina nor Neal could formulate what they are to each other. Them firing the can(n)on together. And that Lost boy and Lost girl hugging their parents together!
Exactly. Can’t even talk about what they are too each other but they ARE something to each other.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The “person” bit reminded me of Cristina and Meredith on Grey’s Anatomy. It’s a term of endearment that they use to show that they’re BFFs, soulmates, always there for each other in the end, and so I really liked them using that same word when referring to what Neal is to Emma.
The “person” bit reminded me of Cristina and Meredith on Grey’s Anatomy. It’s a term of endearment that they use to show that they’re BFFs, soulmates, always there for each other in the end, and so I really liked them using that same word when referring to what Neal is to Emma.
YES. YES. YES. YES.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Saw this gif in the CaptainSwan thread (They’ve interpreted it differently)Ignore the Emma Neal bit of gif
Again it highlights the difference between Neal and Hook. Neal never tries to “make” Emma do anything she doesn’t want to do whereas we know Hook does. Hook says to Emma in Dark Hollow that he “will win” her heart, implying that Emma has no say in the matter, whereas Neal gives her the choice to turn up at Granny’s diner for lunch with him with the assurance that if she doesn’t want to, he’ll “quit bugging” her.
In 311, Hook doesn’t say “I’ll try and help you to remember” or “I know how I can help you remember” before kissing Emma, he says “I can make you remember” then kisses her. That can be interpreted as quite an aggressive and threatening turn of phrase, no wonder Emma kneed him in the balls. Imagine it from Emma’s point of view. She lives alone with her child in her apartment, she’s in her pyjamas. A strange man turns up at her door and knows her name, even though she doesn’t know his. He tells her he “can make” her remember him then he lunges at her and kisses her. That sounds almost attempted rapeish. Granted they would never show that on Once but it’s not the first time that Hook’s dialogue and actions have had rapeish connotations.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI’ve seen a lot of similar GIF sets with regards to the whole “how Neal and Hook first re-meet Emma in different episodes” forgetting that Neal’s first reaction to Emma is not to yell at her. That comes much later. His first reaction is to say her name and then just try to talk to her. Then when he realizes that she has brought his father with her, he gets a little defensive. (and then takes her for a drink so I think the whole “Hook treats her better upon seeing her again” is bunk)
Not sure if I would go so far as to say rape-ish with Hook. I think Hook gets that label a lot with his sexual innuendos and I know it upsets people. From Emma’s POV she’s right be freaked out but from Hook’s he was trying to bring her back the one he knows how in their world. Putting the label of rape or rape-ish is hard because we’ve seen Charming do the same thing to Snow in Heart of Darkness.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Hook’s actions at the end of 311 can quite easily be classified as assault. He didn’t consider it that way, (and I get why he kissed her and it was in character for him), but from Emma’s point of view, her reaction was totally justified, especially considering that he could have posed a threat to Henry for all she knew.
One of the things that makes Hook’s actions here particularly inappropriate IMO is that they weren’t in a relationship previously. This is where I differentiate this scene to the scenes with Snowing and Rumbelle. Those kisses could have technically been classed as assault in those instances too, but in both cases, there were a pre-existing relationship, there had been mutual love established, each party was on the same level when it came to understanding that they were in love with each other. So had the kisses worked, the one who was cured of amnesia wouldn’t have been creeped out or felt violated by being kissed.
Emma has kissed Hook one time, in circumstances that involved persuasion, (not saying he took away her free will, I’m just saying, the kiss hadn’t been her idea and if not for him persisting, it wouldn’t have even happened), she said it was a one time thing, and she later told him it had been just a kiss. It didn’t hold any deep meaning for her, and as such, they didn’t end up involved in a relationship. There has not been a mutual love established between these two. So him forcing the kiss on her in 311 isn’t necessarily something that non-amnesiac Emma would have wanted to happen, and that’s what makes it a true violation.
Like I said before though, it was in character for Hook. Dude was in love with Milah for a couple 100 years after she’d died, and he’s only been apart from Emma for one year, so of course he hasn’t forgotten about her. And he’s had a successful career of womanising, which you can’t achieve without being forthright if there’s a woman who’s caught your eye, so of course he was gonna go for it and kiss her when he saw her. Doesn’t make it right or romantic. It was a selfish and poorly considered thing for him to do, but, well, pirate, so acting in his own self interest makes sense.
He’s obviously made some strides in curbing his selfishness if he’s there to bring Emma back to help everyone, (which could be traced back to him taking her advice from the end of S2 to be a part of something), but it’s not like he’s not hoping to get something out of this on a personal level as well. My hope is that they’ll use it as an opportunity to grow his character when he doesn’t end up getting that personal payoff, and he just will have helped everyone else, and actually, will have helped Emma get back to Neal. So he’ll have done the right thing, and been on the losing end, and then we’d get to see how he deals with that, (similar to how Regina defused the well so Snow and Emma could get through, but she didn’t get a big, positive payoff for it, and she ended up backsliding). You need these sorts of challenges if you’re gonna give a character a convincing redemption arc, which is what I’d like to see for him in the long run. Changing over the course of a week, like we’ve seen from him in S3, does not a real redemption arc make.
PS. It took me several minutes to figure out what that gifset was even meant to be illustrating. Guess they’re trying to show the difference between Neal yelling at her and Hook just being happy to see her? Honestly, the contexts of each situation are so different, I dunno how they can be compared.
PS. It took me several minutes to figure out what that gifset was even meant to be illustrating. Guess they’re trying to show the difference between Neal yelling at her and Hook just being happy to see her? Honestly, the contexts of each situation are so different, I dunno how they can be compared.
Pretty much yeah but the main thing that is being forgotten is that both Emma and Neal were yelling at each other and that Neal’s first reaction wasn’t yelling. The yelling is a good 2 mins into the scene.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Pretty much yeah but the main thing that is being forgotten is that both Emma and Neal were yelling at each other and that Neal’s first reaction wasn’t yelling. The yelling is a good 2 mins into the scene.
If someone seriously wanted to compare the scenes, I guess they could say that both guys were initially happy to see her, and they ended up getting yelled at/kicked in the balls by her and that’s sorta similar? But like I said, the context is so different. Emma’s a freaking amnesiac in one of those instances, and in the other there’s the whole other factor of Neal and Rumple’s relationship which is what causes him to get upset. So the situations aren’t really comparable at all IMO.
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