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RumplesGirl wrote: Pretty much yeah but the main thing that is being forgotten is that both Emma and Neal were yelling at each other and that Neal’s first reaction wasn’t yelling. The yelling is a good 2 mins into the scene.
If someone seriously wanted to compare the scenes, I guess they could say that both guys were initially happy to see her, and they ended up getting yelled at/kicked in the balls by her and that’s sorta similar? But like I said, the context is so different. Emma’s a freaking amnesiac in one of those instances, and in the other there’s the whole other factor of Neal and Rumple’s relationship which is what causes him to get upset. So the situations aren’t really comparable at all IMO.
Not even in the slightest I agree. I understand that we all like to parallel like mad (even though we all know we shouldn’t) but that one is stretchy.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think over the last year of separation, Hook has allowed himself to think he’s really in love with Emma Swan, and maybe his feelings are indeed genuine. Yet, what remains to be seen is whether his love is unrequited or not. If Hook’s feelings are unrequited, are they strong enough to let Emma be with the man she truly loves, who, according to Edward Kitsis, is Neal? Remember Cyrus’ words that the “measure of true love is sacrifice.” Real love does not make demands and cannot be forced. Does Hook have what it takes to be willing to sacrifice his own happiness for the sake of Emma and Neal’s potential happy ending? We know that Emma and Neal left their relationship with a big question mark around it, yet Emma was on her way to have lunch with Neal, which means she had resolved to hear Neal out and to do the hard thing of having a real conversation about their past, about co-parenting their son together, and about their future. Neal and Emma’s story is not over; they haven’t even begun to scratch the surface of their present-day relationship.
Deep down, Hook knows Emma and Neal love each other, and according to Colin O’Donoghue, Hook loves Neal as a son figure. So, the question remains whether Hook can truly do the self-sacrifical thing for Neal and Emma, as Adam and Eddy have confirmed Neal did for Emma when he let her go to get her home. As someone who has been on both ends of the spectrum of unrequited love and requited love, I know that it doesn’t necessarily have to be mutual for love to be true. A person can have earnest feelings for another person, and wish that person happiness, even if he or she doesn’t ultimately choose you in the end. I hope Hook can learn to have that kind of selfless love, without any expectation of self-gain, so that if/when Emma lets it be known she chooses Neal, Hook could look his so-called step-son in the eye and wish him and Emma all the happiness in the world. Now that would be a heroic thing to do, and it would mirror Regina giving Emma happy memories of believing she’d never given up Henry. Regina was finally willing to atone for her sins to Snow’s family by giving up her claim on Henry by putting his and Emma’s needs first. Likewise, Rumple was finally willing to sacrifice himself so that Baelfire could have a happy ending, even though Rumple believes it wouldn’t be with him. We’ve yet to see Hook make that kind of sacrifice, and until he atones to Baelfire for seducing away his mother by helping Neal now be reunited with his family, Henry and Emma, I’ll consider Hook’s redemption arc incomplete.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Remember Cyrus’ words that the “measure of true love is sacrifice.
And what Charming told Snow, “[love]it also means sacrifice!”
Sometimes true love means you walk a very hard path: just like Snowing and Rumbelle (and Cylice and Cinderlla/Thomas; Ariel/Eric; Aurora/Philip).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"YES to all of that, slurpeez! I hope that’s where they’re planning to take Hook’s story next, having him face this true test and prove whether he really does have good form or not.
Hook’s actions at the end of 311 can quite easily be classified as assault. He didn’t consider it that way, (and I get why he kissed her and it was in character for him), but from Emma’s point of view, her reaction was totally justified, especially considering that he could have posed a threat to Henry for all she knew.
If a strange man with a hook knocked on my door and forcibly tried to kiss me, I’d also kick him where the sun don’t shine! I know Snow and Belle didn’t remember their respective guys either, but as Phee pointed out, Snowing and Rumbelle were established as really loving their men before they got amnesia. Yet, CS fans are already claiming that SF is basically dead in the water and sending out wedding announcements for Emma and Hook’s upcoming nuptials. Um, excuse me? At no point has Emma let on she loves Hook! If anything, she’s repeatedly said she loves Neal! *sigh* The last I checked, Emma Swan was still single, yet about to go have a lunch date with the man she truly loves until Peter Pan’s confounded curse got in the way again. It will be so epic when, as I predict, Hook’s attempts to try TLK on Emma continuously fail, and what stirs Emma’s beliefs is the SwanFire dream catcher combined with the BF’s magic elixir.
Ever since that steamy kiss which Hook coerced from Emma as “payment” for saving Charming, there have been no clear signals that Emma wants to kiss Hook again, let alone that she’s ready for a committed relationship with him. If anything, she told Hook that it was just a kiss. When he insisted she must choose and that he would win her heart, Emma rebuffed Hook in favor of saving her son! Ever since then she’s hardly said two words to him. When she tried to ask for his inside knowledge of dream shade in 3×8, Hook refused to tell her anything, because he was still sulking over being rejected. To to it all off, Hook made a failed drunken pass at Tinkerbell and tried to pass it off as an actual hook-up to arouse Emma’s jealousy. Yet, Emma looked at him like he was a juvenile boy. I could almost hear her audibly saying, “really?” as she was about to go have lunch with Neal.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Hook’s actions at the end of 311 can quite easily be classified as assault. He didn’t consider it that way, (and I get why he kissed her and it was in character for him), but from Emma’s point of view, her reaction was totally justified, especially considering that he could have posed a threat to Henry for all she knew.
One of the things that makes Hook’s actions here particularly inappropriate IMO is that they weren’t in a relationship previously. This is where I differentiate this scene to the scenes with Snowing and Rumbelle. Those kisses could have technically been classed as assault in those instances too, but in both cases, there were a pre-existing relationship, there had been mutual love established, each party was on the same level when it came to understanding that they were in love with each other. So had the kisses worked, the one who was cured of amnesia wouldn’t have been creeped out or felt violated by being kissed.
Emma has kissed Hook one time, in circumstances that involved persuasion, (not saying he took away her free will, I’m just saying, the kiss hadn’t been her idea and if not for him persisting, it wouldn’t have even happened), she said it was a one time thing, and she later told him it had been just a kiss. It didn’t hold any deep meaning for her, and as such, they didn’t end up involved in a relationship. There has not been a mutual love established between these two. So him forcing the kiss on her in 311 isn’t necessarily something that non-amnesiac Emma would have wanted to happen, and that’s what makes it a true violation.
Like I said before though, it was in character for Hook. Dude was in love with Milah for a couple 100 years after she’d died, and he’s only been apart from Emma for one year, so of course he hasn’t forgotten about her. And he’s had a successful career of womanising, which you can’t achieve without being forthright if there’s a woman who’s caught your eye, so of course he was gonna go for it and kiss her when he saw her. Doesn’t make it right or romantic. It was a selfish and poorly considered thing for him to do, but, well, pirate, so acting in his own self interest makes sense.
He’s obviously made some strides in curbing his selfishness if he’s there to bring Emma back to help everyone, (which could be traced back to him taking her advice from the end of S2 to be a part of something), but it’s not like he’s not hoping to get something out of this on a personal level as well. My hope is that they’ll use it as an opportunity to grow his character when he doesn’t end up getting that personal payoff, and he just will have helped everyone else, and actually, will have helped Emma get back to Neal. So he’ll have done the right thing, and been on the losing end, and then we’d get to see how he deals with that, (similar to how Regina defused the well so Snow and Emma could get through, but she didn’t get a big, positive payoff for it, and she ended up backsliding). You need these sorts of challenges if you’re gonna give a character a convincing redemption arc, which is what I’d like to see for him in the long run. Changing over the course of a week, like we’ve seen from him in S3, does not a real redemption arc make.
This is the point I was trying to make. You worded it much better than I 🙂
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixHugs to all my SwanFire shipmates. The water is choppy and we’re in rough seas but don’t give up. We can make it through the storms ahead.
(The cold has frozen my brain).
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Hugs to all my SwanFire shipmates. The water is choppy and we’re in rough seas but don’t give up. We can make it through the storms ahead. (The cold has frozen my brain).
I’d like to give everyone a hug as well.
And a drink. God I’d like to drown myself in drinks right now.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"On the 6th day of January, the SFer’s gave to RG:
6 Anton sized mugs of Hot Chocolate with Cinnamon served by Regina
5 RumBelle kisses
4 Times Neal makes puppy eyes
3 Snowing saying “I will find you”
2 Henry hugs
and Emma kicking Hook in the balls!All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixOn the 6th day of January, the SFer’s gave to RG:
6 Anton sized mugs of Hot Chocolate with Cinnamon served by Regina
5 RumBelle kisses
4 Times Neal makes puppy eyes
3 Snowing saying “I will find you”
2 Henry hugs
and Emma kicking Hook in the balls!Awwwwwwww. I love my presents. 🙂 Thanks
COOKIES
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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